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To think that Ian Brady...

320 replies

KittyFane1 · 17/08/2012 20:29

is playing a sick game.
His final victim is Winnie Johnson who is desperate to find her son Keith Bennet on the moors. She has terminal cancer and not long to live.
IB has been on hunger strike for years and wants to move out of the psychiatric hospital.
There is now, or rather, may or may not be a letter revealing where Keith is. Tormenting this woman in her final days.

Would it be unreasonable to tell IB that he can be moved if he stops this sick game, refusing to say where Keith is buried and if he does, not give him what he wants after all?

OP posts:
MrsClown1 · 18/08/2012 14:06

Sorry OP, I forgot to answer your question. No YANBU for definite.

igotaway · 18/08/2012 14:28

and now Mrs Johnson has passed away. May she find peace. God Bless Her.

McHappyPants2012 · 18/08/2012 14:32

Rip Winnie.

I hope they do find Keith so the whole family can have closure.

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KittyFane1 · 18/08/2012 14:55

The death of a child who can be put to rest is one of the most tragic, saddest things in life but this takes pain and heartbreak to another level.
I have so much admiration for these families and wish to God that people like IB/MH didn't walk this earth.

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icecold · 18/08/2012 14:57

Why can't that woman show anyone the letter? Is it patient confidentiality?

If I were her, i would give the letter to keiths family, resign (probably no need!) and go and work another field...anything, other than let IB continue to have any power or control over anyone. She's as much a part of his game as anyone. I would have done this before winnie died though

MyLittleMiracles · 18/08/2012 15:07

Ian Brady has and will always be psychotic and likes playing games. He gets enjoyment out of hurting other people, and as such i agree, apply the thumbscrews, though being as fucked up as he is, he might actually like that.

AhsataN · 18/08/2012 15:09

rest in peace winnie, i pray that keiths body one day will be found but at least for now you can be together. a man like bradey will stick in peoples mind for a very long time i wish him a slow agonising death, with no comfort or relief. you have fought tirelessly for years to find your son i just hope your family will get the closure you need.

squeakytoy · 18/08/2012 15:14

I dont think the words Rest in Peace have ever had a truer meaning. This poor woman has spent most of her life in a state of mental torture. I hope there is an afterlife, and that she has been reunited with her boy. :(

Birdsgottafly · 18/08/2012 15:24

"Why can't that woman show anyone the letter?"

She gave it back, his crimes were not what their relationship was about, she did apparently ask advice at the time.

Chubfuddler · 18/08/2012 15:31

Poor lady. RIP.

hermionestranger · 18/08/2012 15:39

My dad grew up opposite the Hattersley estate and was a teenager when all this was happening. I have heard him talk about it all my life. Their crimes still linger over the area. (as well as now the other mass murderer he lived and worked here.)

Brady is a monster, he has a soul of pure evil, what he did to those Children was horrific and the life of misery he led Winnie Johnson through is beyond understanding. I hope she finds the peace now with Keith that she never had on earth. RIP Winnie.

If JP does still have or knows the contents of that letter then that makes her as bad as IB to my mind. He obviously has no compassion or a tourted soul like Mrs Johnson. I think Brady knows exactly where he buried Keith and now he'll speak because the limelight is off him and on his last victim. Evil, sick bastard that he is.

janey68 · 18/08/2012 15:42

Birds has got a point, that we don't actually KNOW the details about the letter. It would be incredibly stupid if the first time the advocate spoke up about the letter was to a TV team a decade or so after receiving it! For all we know, she informed the relevant authorities that she had a letter (IF this letter actually exists). There is clearly a lot of dispute about whether such a letter exists and what such letter might contain anyway

By all means condemn IB- he has been convicted of the most appalling crimes. But when the flog em and hang em brigade start on someone who at the moment has not even been charged of any offence, it kind of takes the attention off who we should really be vilifying. I don't wish to dilute the evil of IB by starting on the advocate. IF she has done something wrong then she's incredibly stupid and it will be uncovered through the investigation

janey68 · 18/08/2012 15:45

Cross posts there.
The advocate as bad as IB?? Really Hmm
Not in my mind. If the advocate turns out to have deliberately and knowingly withheld information which might have comforted Winnie Johnson then yes, she's an ignorant, short sighted and possibly nasty piece of work. But on a par with someone who has tortured and murdered children? No way.

Birdsgottafly · 18/08/2012 15:55

"Rubbish Birds."

Why?

I remember their return to the Moors, i took a keen interest in Brady and others as my wish was to one day work in Ashfield or Broadmoor.

The original hope was that Hindley would make a few visits but there was such a public outcry, spured by the media describing it as a 'day out', L Longford didn't help with his campaign, but the fear was so great that Hindley would get parol and of course the nature of her crimes, it was considered to much of a safety risk to allow her to look again.

They wouldn't charge them over the last two murders because of a fear of parol, but it could have meant a different outcome for the Bennet family.

rubberglove · 18/08/2012 15:55

I am a bit skeptical about phrases such as psychotic, insane and schizophrenic being used in relation to psychopaths.

A psychopath knows right from wrong, they are not detached from reality. They just have no conscience or empathy. For the more depraved amongst them this is turned to murder and child abuse. Others stay within the law but have no qualms about manipulating people to suit them, in law, business etc.

It is truly worrying that 1 in 100 people may be psychopaths. Very few of us, thankfully, will be the victims of crimes such as those committed by Brady. But psychopaths reek havoc through many lives in other ways.

LunaticFringe · 18/08/2012 15:57

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rubberglove · 18/08/2012 16:18

Absolutely Lunaticfringe

Psychopaths, narcissists are or can be charismatic. Many have had their lives ruined, being fished in by such people.

carernotasaint · 18/08/2012 16:23

Ive just seen the dad news about Winnie Johnson. So sorry to hear this. RIP Winnie. Together with Keith at last x

Badvoc · 18/08/2012 16:23

RIP Winnie.
Reunited with Keith at last.

TheDoctrineOfEnnis · 18/08/2012 16:23

I agree with janey

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 18/08/2012 16:48

Poor woman - rest in peace, Winnie and Keith.

HappyAsChips · 18/08/2012 17:18

Sorry jumpingthroughhoops but I have to disagree with your comments about the judicial system. Imo, if monsters like Brady are even allowed to live after the horrendous things he did, then our system is seriously flawed. People who talk about human rights and fairness for scum like that must be mad. He deserves no rights, not one. He is nonhuman. He is an evil, vile monster who needs to be exterminated. Mental health issues? Stuff that! I couldn't give a flying fuck about 'mental health issues' in circumstances like these. That monster did unspeakable things to innocent children and did it because he is evil. Simple. I would gladly have him tortured to death in the most horrible way imaginable. He deserves to die a slow and incredibly painful death. I don't even know all of the details of the things he and that bitch Hindley did, but it makes me cry just thinking about it. I know that all sounds like pure anger and it is, and of course I understand the importance of a fair justice system. But there are some who certainly do not not deserve fair treatment. We know what he did. He should die horribly for it. Fucker. (him not you!)

CheerfulYank · 18/08/2012 17:26

Morloth I don't know, I truly don't. I hope I couldn't.

Oh, that poor woman. She is not suffering anymore. :(

I believe that some part of her is with her son now, somewhere where nothing is painful and no one can hurt or separate them again.

Just a terrible, cruel business all around.

TheDoctrineOfEnnis · 18/08/2012 17:29

But HappyAsChips, you can't have a fair justice system with some not deserving fair treatment under it. That's a contradiction in terms.

HappyAsChips · 18/08/2012 17:36

I just mean that although we certainly need a fair system, once it has been discovered that someone has committed such awful crimes (through their fair trial) and they are guilty beyond doubt, they should then lose any human rights they previously had. I don't care about MH 'issues' in a case like this. He is nothing but evil and does not deserve the same human rights as other prisoners in the system. I don't know if that makes any sense, but this case incenses me and I blither my hatred for that monster!

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