To think that Ian Brady...

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is playing a sick game.
His final victim is Winnie Johnson who is desperate to find her son Keith Bennet on the moors. She has terminal cancer and not long to live.
IB has been on hunger strike for years and wants to move out of the psychiatric hospital.
There is now, or rather, may or may not be a letter revealing where Keith is. Tormenting this woman in her final days.

Would it be unreasonable to tell IB that he can be moved if he stops this sick game, refusing to say where Keith is buried and if he does, not give him what he wants after all?

Sadly, and what is making me really angry is WHY is this in the news today ?
We know why .... The ratings for another documentary ..... will know be through the roof. Here we are discussing semantics ......Brady is getting the publicity that he thrives on ..whilst very sadly Winnie is dying. If I was one of her relatives I would lie to her. I would tell her we have found Keiths body and we will make sure they are buried together. So what if its a lie ..to give a woman a tiny bit of piece in her dying days, this info has been floating around for a while (the advocate was arrested last month) His rights ? people arguing over this, as an MH advocate he legally has no rights over info given to her. IB knows exactly what he is doing, Hey Fucking Ho if he really wants to die, as he has been claiming for years then he would be dead. FFS in Ashworth just go start a fight ! END OF (I've probably X posted by now thanks)

These types of criminals don't ever feel remorse. They get sick kicks out of the pain of the families also. Kicks the rest of us will never understand.

My good friend's brother is a prison officer in a high security jail full of sex offenders, child killers and murderers. Channel 4 wanted to make a documentary there. The prisoner volunteers to be in the show were exclusively child molesters/murderers. The whole thing was cancelled at the request of the prison psychiatrists.

The reason these scumbags volunteered was so that they could, via the TV, get back into the victim's families homes, get kicks out of describing their crimes and hurting the familes all over again. This is why the docs put a stop to the documentary being filmed at their jail.

Brady is at the moment showing typical behaviour.

Has it actually been proven to be Keith that he's revealing?

Morloth I could do it...if it were my child. And I am by most accounts a very nice person.

But when my son was born, I just...knew that I was suddenly capable of extreme violence, that there was nothing I wouldn't do to protect him and no revenge too bloody if, God forbid, something happened to him. It was a horrible and unsettling feeling and I hope it is never put to the test.

The brain thing is interesting...I've always thought (given my work with children with behavioral issues) that everyone is born with a set of "puzzle pieces" in their heads, so to speak, and their experiences and nurturing determines how those pieces are put together. An experience turns one person into an abusive monster but not another.

It's all just too terrible. I hope that woman can find some peace. :(

I think we forget that Brady isn't in prison he is in a high security mental hospital.

Almost 100% of our high profile killers are inmates at Broadmoor or Rampton. Very few serial killers are pronounced "normal" and in mainstream prisons. They are insane. It is right and proper that the mentally ill get treatment - I can be quite clinical - I also think it' right and proper they are observed, studied, call it what you will, to enable profiling and deeper understanding of the intracacies of the human mind. That is of no comfort to the bereaved BUT it might enable a forensic psychologist/profiler in the future to stop something like this happening again.

God forbid we ever had laws like some of the US states and someone is shoved in an electric chair regardless of their sanity.

It's a very slippery slope you would start to descend if you say "we should do this/that because its Brady". You run the risk of it becoming precedent and endangering us all.

Ditto with thinking it would be nice or humane for the police to lie and give Winnie the peace of mind she deserves. Us old farts remember when there was a lot of corruption in the police, falsifying evidence etc, we cannot go back to those days.

Well...why would they have to lie? Why can't he just die, if he so desperately wants to?

Why can't he just die, if he so desperately wants to?

because he's insane, therefore not deemed responsible enough to make those decisions.

(Yes it's me, forgot my PW, new ID)

I also think it would be an acceptable lie if they told Winnie that they had found him. Perhaps when she is close to death someone could just say "We've found him. They're bringing him home. We'll bury him next to you."

As for Brady, I am strongly against revenge-type justice, but in his case I think they should just let him die, bury him in an unmarked grave and try to ensure that his name is never mentioned again.

I meant to say, I have a nasty feeling the letter is probably blank or contains some sick, final taunt.

The other thing that occurs to me is if someone said to Brady "actually, we've changed our minds. Forget going through the courts. We'll take your feeding tube out and you can just lie here and die" whether he would suddenly change his mind about dying and start legal proceedings to make them keep him alive at all costs.

As long as he's got people running around, fighting against him, he's still powerful.

Relatives could tell Winnie that lie if they wished, though if she can still acces radio, tv, newspapers or Internet it would probably backfire.

The police cannot have a policy which would make this right therefore they cannot do it.

I too think that Brady doesn't actually want to die. Too many have died, Fred West, Harold Shipman, for example. The point I'm making, and made earlier, is if he really wanted to die, he could have achieved precisely that, he's a clever, resourceful man.
This is about manipulation, it's a game he is playing, and will continue to play. Removing media coverage would be the best thing. However, he would still play the game, because there are enough people in 'the system' eg. Hospital, Law and so forth, to give him the attention he desires. It's just it would have less effect.

I think they should tell Ian Brady that Keith has been found

According to the news this morning, Winnie does know about this infamous, yet to be seen, letter.

The MH advocate says she gave said letter back to Brady AND advised the authorities 10 years ago that she had the letter and that it is on social services file.

Make of that what you will.

A non existent letter, that is over 10 years old.

My heart goes out to poor winnie.

just picking this from the news

They were jailed for life in 1966 over the murders of Lesley Ann Downey, ten, John Kilbride, 12, and Edward Evans, 17. They did not admit to killing Keith and another victim, Pauline Reade, 16, until 1987.

They've not been tried for these two murders have they? I'd remember a media circus c1987 if they had been

It is pointless coming up with opinions about whether Winnie should be lied to.

Her family are obviously not wanting this and you don't know if you would lie to a member of your family over something so important to her. What if she got a final health surge and wanted to see the proof? How cruel would that be?

Any professional certainly cannot lie to her.

Just reading through Bradys Wiki page:

C1987 - Once presented with some of the details that Hindley had provided of Pauline Reade's abduction, Brady decided that he too was prepared to confess, but on one condition: that immediately afterwards he be given the means to commit suicide, a request that was impossible for the authorities to comply with

The man truly is a monster.

Even if the bastard does finally tell what he knows - and I bet he doesn't, that would mean surrendering his last bit of power - I'm not sure they could find the body anyway. It's been nearly five decades and as Fatima said, Saddleworth Moor is peat - the soil shifts and changes, only the rocks stay the same.

The moors are beautiful, bleak and vast. Such a wonderful, eerie landscape. Tainted forever by Brady and Hindley's indescribable evil.

Yeah, but could you do it for someone else's child Yank?

Could you do it if you weren't sure of the reasons? I think it is quite a thing to ask someone to do and creates a whole different 'evil' to be dealt with. Do you get a good man? Or someone who doesn't mind? What sort of person wouldn't mind?

He only has power still because people are allowing that power. Humane treatment and a 'Yeah yeah' response to all his bullshit would remove that power. Remove his voice and you remove his power. Just let him grow old and die in the most boring and irrelevant manner possible, sounds like that would be a special sort of torture for someone like this.

This isn't the first time there has been speculation about letters in the press, this article is from the beginning of July. Which makes me wonder what is different about this letter that is being reported now.

Ian Brady is sitting in his hospital, quite happily holding all the cards. He has all the power and he knows it. As others have said, he has been torturing Mrs Bennett for nearly 50 years and has continued to drip feed her with hope. He is the most evil person on this earth.

If you've been on saddleworth moor, you'd realise how unlikely it is that they'll find him. Its a fairly featureless landscape so I suspect that he doesn't know where they buried him. V sad for the mother though and beyond cruel to keep playing that's.

If the media had of backed off in the 80's there may have been a chance to find Keith.

It is a shame that the press and public feeling had such an influence over any decisions made.

Rest in peace Winnie and Keith. Thinking of you and your families today x

RIP Winnie.