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AIBU?

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To not want nail polish on my 4yo!

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HipHopOpotomus · 19/07/2012 10:12

I suspect I'm going to be told IABU but I've got to ask.

DD1 is 4. When she goes to a friends house to play she invariably comes home with nail varnish on. It seems that it's very normal for her 4yo friends to paint their nails, yes ever scarlet red, though just as often pink or purple etc. Many of her (girl) friends at nursery have painted nails all the time.

I don't like it - for lots of reasons including:

  • I think it is PART of the sexualisation of young girls which as a Mum of girls concerns me greatly. It's make up, its about feeling pretty and girlie - and I feel it is inappropriate for a 4yo. 14yo sure, 9yo, perhaps gritted teeth but 4yo is too young to be starting down this road.
  • the parents of her friends simply assume that it's OK. In their eyes it's harmless girlie fun I guess. This I could understand on an older child (though I still might not like it), but on a 4yo!! (I'm being a fuddy duddy??)
  • DD then asks for her nails to be painted all the time. I have on occasion given in and allowed her to paint her toenails (i.e. twice in a year). I use a silver glitter polish. I'm not entirely happy about this, but I have done it. (This makes me realise that the nail painting at friends homes has been happening since she was 3 Shock)
  • I then have to use highly toxic nail polish to get the stuff off & in the meantime its all chipped etc anjd looks nasty. I really don't like rubbing polish remover all over my little girls hands &/or feet (I have pretty much let the silver nail polish on her toes chip off). Also as soon as it comes off I then get constantly pestered to paint her nails. I say no (with the 2 exceptions when I have done her toenails silver glitter before a holiday & before a dress up party)
  • I object as a feminist, to young girls being encouraged to use make-up, or being subtly manipulated to feeling somehow 'special' wearing makeup. And it's clearly a 'girl' thing, to paint nails. I don't see any boys queueing up for it.

We've been to a couple of nursery/primary school fairs recently and they have nail polish stands with queues of young girls lining up - it's like face painting now. It's become the norm. I think this is sad and ghastly. Such young girls becoming mini-me's to their Mums.

I think a lot of this is about the Mum - 'dressing up' little girls. DD is NOT a living doll FFS!! She is not here to make YOU (friends Mum) feel better about yourself by "pleasing" young girls by painting them with toxic shit.

I believe in protecting and fostering childhood and childhood innocence for as long as I possibly can. Its a challenge in todays society and I really feel that this nail painting crap bites into that.

AIBU? Am I being unrealistic?

OP posts:
earthpixie · 23/07/2012 19:27

I agree with the OP.

MrsRhettButler · 23/07/2012 19:37

I've been contemplating doing my 10mo nails recently, I'm on the verge of doing it Grin

Don't see a problem myself.

Haven't read whole thread btw so apologies if the discussion has moved on.

HipHopOpotomus · 24/07/2012 10:36

I agree in part mathanxety but I'm not painting those chemicals directly onto my 4yo either Grin I'm not even trying to live a life untouched by these chemicals, but I am trying to minimise unnecessary exposure. ? My life, my child, my choice.

BTW why do you think the recent EU regulations were passed if it was all considered completely harmless?

I mean would you paint bleach or floor cleaner onto your young child? Probably not as A) it's not required and B) it would be stupid to put a toxin directly in contact with a young child for no reason. I see nail polish in a similar way, and I feel even more strongly about it following on from this thread.

MrsRB you might like to do a little research on toxins in nail varnish, before painting your baby.

OP posts:
Spiritedwolf · 24/07/2012 11:54

I'm pregnant (39+6!) with my first baby (gender currently unknown) so this post comes with my regular proviso that I may change my mind once I actually have to deal with all this stuff.

4 years old seems too young to me. But then, I also wonder whether my 4 year old would also be going to playdates without me unless it was with family or close friends that I could trust to respect my parenting decisions after an issue arose. So maybe I don't have a clear idea of what having a 4 year old is like at the moment.

I can see the argument that like face painting and dress up that its just a bit of fun about being colourful. But that argument could also be used for other makeup like lipstick and eyeshadow - nail varnish is a makeup, that's how it is sold and marketed. It is part of the culture of getting girls/women to groom themselves and value their looks above their other attributes. It could also restrict other play activities if the child is encouraged not to chip their nail polish and be precious about it.

Of course its occasional use for play with rainbow colours or to match a costume for halloween kind of subverts the prettification aspect of nail polish. That's also the context in which boys are playing with it too, as a bit of a laugh, its not something they are expected to do as an adult to be attractive. Just like having your face painted as an animal isn't the same as putting on makeup like an adult, even though its a similar activity and may even involve the same kinds of products.

In the grand scheme of sterotyping girls this is perhaps a small thing, and I don't think I'd be too judgey about parents that do it. I know they are just reacting to other girls doing it and the products marketed at young girls, it just seems a bit of a fun activity for children to do. But for me, its an activity I associate with older age groups, not little kids, so I can't see me being comfortable with my child (male or female) playing with nail polish at 4. The only expection I'd maybe make would be at halloween/other major dress up occasions where facepainting might also be involved, but even then, I'm not sure I'd do it from 4.

I don't wear makeup (including nail varnish) myself. I agree that these products often contain nasties that ideally we just wouldn't be putting near our skin. Of course there are other sources of toxins, but those in cosmetics seem particuarly unnecessary and avoidable.

Definitely use non-toxic nail varnish for children who are likely to put their fingers in their mouths if you are going to use it at all though. Just like you'd make sure that you use facepaints that are easy to remove too.

Nail painting (or even face painting) is not something that I'd immediately assume was okay to do to a child I was taking care of, whether they were female or male, 4 years old or 9 years old. I mean, its messy, their parent may not like it, the child may be allergic or the family/school may have plans for which rainbow painted nails or faces are inappropriate (photos/weddings/church/whatever) coming up. I also wouldn't do temporary tattoos or hair colouring for the same reason. (Or really messy painting/mud related activities without prior arrangement, don't want to get a kid messed up just before an important family dinner at a restraunt or something).

I'm glad that I have mumsnet to let me know that others would allow nail varnish though, so I know to specify that its not okay for someone taking care of my kids to do!

Mother to be to a PFB obviously! Grin

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