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AIBU to say something about a self harming nursery worker at my daughters nursery

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savlonqueen · 02/07/2012 21:40

I have noticed at the nursery my daughters attend that one of the members of staff seem to be self harming not at work im sure but has the very obvious scars on her arm some of which are just healing
I have also seen more appear over the last week and a half

Bit of background info:
She is not the key worker for any of my daughters but she is one of the more bubbly members of staff who makes an effort to talk to all the parents kind of thing and she is the one who seems to get everything done especially when my daughters dippy key worker does not seem to have a clue so i dont want it to be thought of as i dont like her in fact i have asked several times for her to be my daughters key worker but told the key worker list is set and it will be reviewed blah blah

So my AIBU is should i say something to her or the manager because surely someone should of noticed and be getting her some help or support and i dont want to do nothing because my daughter came home today and was concerned as only a 3 year old can be that she has hurt herself from a cat (its what the woman had told my daughter when she asked her) and drawn her a picture to make her feel better along with several flowers from my garden to make her feel better and this is going to be awkward when we give them to the woman tomorrow

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FarelyKnuts · 02/07/2012 23:49

We are all disagreeing with you though. Does this not suggest to you that perhaps you MAY in fact need to rethink your attitude towards this particular issue GG?

sheepsgomeeping · 02/07/2012 23:50

You do need educating GG but thats just my opinion

thepeoplesprincess · 02/07/2012 23:50

I would agree that recent wounds should not be on display, but as long as they're covered then it's noone else's business.

GenerationGap · 02/07/2012 23:51

No I am happy not to follow the crowd and have a minority opinion.

gatheringlilac · 02/07/2012 23:51

Yes, Quacks, I feel bad about that. I like cunts and badgers too, and feel very wrong about having used them that way. I have worked long and hard to reclaim the word cunt and I feel soiled for having undone many years of good work in such a way.

I'm also very cross for having posted after a point where I vowed I wouldn't but would take the course of action outlined in the MNHQ guidelines instead.

FarelyKnuts · 02/07/2012 23:55

Especially when the minority road is one of total ignorance of MH issues. How lucky you must be to not have them touch your life!

GenerationGap · 02/07/2012 23:58

You're being very assumptive about my life and personal experience of MH issues.

FarelyKnuts · 03/07/2012 00:04

I'll be honest and say I was being sarcastic rather than presumptuous. I haven't got the foggiest what your life is like. I just find your opinion on this particular subject somewhat uninformed and very narrow minded towards a subject that you seem (from your posts) to know little about.

FutureNannyOgg · 03/07/2012 00:13

I wouldn't mention it.
I used to self harm, it is just a coping mechanism, and actually, I always felt it was a better option than downing a bottle of wine a night, sleeping around, or taking it out on my friends or family, it certainly felt better in the aftermath than crying until my head hurt. I have never suffered from depression, I had a form of PTSD, in a work environment I was always confident and good at my job. It certainly didn't make me a danger to anyone I was working with, or any vulnerable people in my care.
I used to cover my scars with a silk scarf worn like a cuff when they were bad, a work colleague once made reference to it (as a critique of my fashion sense) and I felt mortified, unless you are close enough to a person to be able to predict their reaction and support them through it, then I don't think you should be the one to bring it up.
As it is, because she is coping well in work and generally happy seeming, I would think she probably has things under control with all the help she needs. I have seen my fair share of mental health professionals and none has ever suggested I stop cutting, that's something that comes in its own time, if ever, for a lot of people it remains their most reliable coping mechanism when things get a bit much, you just learn to manage life so things don't overwhelm you so much.

GirlWithTheMouseyHair · 03/07/2012 00:14

I would agree you need educating. Your posts reek of ignorance or intolerance

GirlWithTheMouseyHair · 03/07/2012 00:17

FutureNannyOgg I totally agree with the safer act of cutting than using alcohol, sex or other destructive patterns

This is why you can't equate turning up to work with a hangover and turning up with self inflicted injuries

FutureNannyOgg · 03/07/2012 00:25

GG - I am currently on maternity leave from teaching. My students could all clearly see that I was pregnant, i.e. the results of me having riotous shennanigans with my husband. Am I a liar and therefore an unsuitable role model if I don't describe all the details of how I ended up like this to my students, or indeed any other child that might notice I was up the duff?
What happens in a teacher's private life is their own, and teachers/carers are no more obliged to discuss the details of their mental health with their charges, than they are to discuss other aspects of their health. When I was off work for a couple of months after having appendicitis, none of my classes knew what had happened (not even that I was sick), and when I came back still recovering from surgery, I was under no obligation to tell anyone why I was limping around in a delicate state. That is exactly how it should be.

Empusa · 03/07/2012 00:37

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yellowraincoat · 03/07/2012 00:37

I have self harm scars all up my arm (faded ones but you can see them). Today I ran around my classroom pretending to be a dinosaur.

Please don't say anything. Be friendly/chatty etc, be sympathetic if she ever confides but don't push her for info directly or indirectly.

Self harm is so personal. It can be surrounded by feelings of shame. Bringing it up is HORRIBLE. OF COURSE she's going to lie. She's probably had ignorant wanks push her for info millions of times. I know I have. People just don't listen when you say "I don't want to say". No. Some people just HAVE to know. "Oh but what are they? Did you have an accident? Did you cut yourself?" On and on. Fuck me it's awful. Why the hell would you ask? It's never going to be "oh it's SUCH a funny story" is it?

You don't have to be sitting in a corner with long greasy hair to self harm.

I suggest you get some education because really, I don't think you give a damn about this girl. I think you just want to get some juicy gossip.

yellowraincoat · 03/07/2012 00:39

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Empusa · 03/07/2012 00:41

OP You sound lovely, personally as a self harmer, I'd prefer you talking to me rather than my boss. But it is difficult, as some would rather you didn't mention it at all. Despite having my own scars, when I used to work with someone who also had them I could never bring myself to talk to her about them. Did have to listen to the other staff sniping about her scars though :( the thick bastards hadn't spotted my scars so thought it was ok to say in front of me.

Maybe just keep being a friendly face for her. People being friendly can help loads.

Empusa · 03/07/2012 00:45

"Fuck me it's awful. Why the hell would you ask? It's never going to be "oh it's SUCH a funny story" is it?"

I got so sick of the questions I eventually started being straight with people. Funnily enough it always turned out they weren't concerned, just nosy. And would make their excuses and run.

Nowadays I'd probably just change the subject entirely.

Also I definitely wouldn't explain to children! I'd hate to be the one to put the idea into their heads that it was a normal thing to do! I'd rather they remained blissfully unaware of self harm for as long as possible. I wish I'd never seen it as a valid way to cope. (Though at the same time I am grateful I didn't use drugs/alcohol like some of my peers)

I still don't know what I'm going to tell my DS when he grows up.

sheepsgomeeping · 03/07/2012 01:10

I didnt tell my mum till I was thirty!

A few knew but only the ones I trusted. Homestart knew, as did my hv eventually but none of my friends knew until recently.

My children certainly do not know.

People can be so pushy and rude. I also have had the questions. They dont care, they just want a bit of Goss. ! Ooo have you seen sheeps marks on her arms, nutty cow, why has she done that I wonder,

Makes me so cross

fluffydressinggown · 03/07/2012 01:27

It is a difficult one.

I say this as a teacher and as a self harmer. I have recently been inpatient because of my self harm and I am currently actively self harming. I have third degree burns all up my arm and I am struggling to walk from the cuts on my legs so my self harm is quite public at the moment.

I think you can absolutely be a teacher or work with children if you self harm, the two are not mutually exclusive. I am not currently working but I have been (and am?) seriously unwell at the moment and unfortunately that is just not compatible with being a teacher. It is barely compatible with living.

I think she is ill-advised having recent injuries that can be seen, it does raise uncomfortable questions from colleagues, parents and children and I think for the sake of an easy life covering up at work is preferable. I appreciate that people should not be prejudiced or influenced by self harm but it is a scary thing, it is quite difficult for many people to process.

I would not say anything to her, I don't think it is your place to, although I can understand your concern. I have been asked about my arms by children (I wear 3/4 sleeves and until my recent ridiculousness Sad my wrists were clear of scars) and I have skirted over it. I have never discussed it with parents and for parents evenings I would usually wear full sleeves and if asked I would not comment on it. I was pretty open about it with colleagues because I found it gave me some ownership of it, and once you say "I used to self harm" people really have nowhere to go with it :) I suspect her colleagues may know about her current SI.

I would also advise against going to her manager - people can be funny about SI and you don't want to be the one to put her in a difficult position. Especially if your concern is read wrongly and the manage interprets your concern as a complaint.

It is enormously hard walking round with a big sign pointing to your mental illness. I feel like people look at me and know, every time it takes me a few minutes to get up, every time I wince in pain from someone catching my legs, every time I roll up my sleeves and people see my dressings and scabby burns. It is hard, but there is a lot of value in still being able to function and live while you SI and good for her for managing. If you want to support her, give her a lovely card and flowers from your DD for being a fantastic nursery worker - things like that really do make a huge difference.

And actually actively self harming and working can be difficult. I spend much of my life very uncomfortable due to various stitches holding me together, I am not sure how well I could physically function at work. I hope this is not the case for her, but if I had a child in nursery and I saw recent SI on their carer I would be concerned about infection risks and the impact the injury would have on the carer's movements.

Oh and finally - people can be in treatment and still be self harming, sometimes self harm is the last thing to go. It is accepted as a (not very good) coping mechanism in mental health and work is often done around harm reduction prior to work being done around stopping it. I see someone three times a week and I still self harm, they can't actually stop you, they can just support you to come to a place where you don't need to or where you can use alternative strategies.

This is really long :) I just wanted to give my own perspective.

Pocketsocks · 03/07/2012 02:07

Just for the record, my sister when she was small, made the assumption our cats made my scars and as far as we all know still believes that. My Mum made no move to correct her and as she has gotten older we have discussed a few times, wether or not to have a proper chat about it and thus far my Mum isn't ready for it.

In short why is it for anyone else to say that this woman should not have fibbed to a 3 year old? Surely there's much less trouble to be in over a small lie when a parent finds out than the wrath she could face for telling the truth.

I don't cover my scars, it's too damn hot sometimes, be it on the school run, on playdates or whatever, it's no one elses business. I'm an ex self harmer but way back when if i had fresh marks I would cover them with whatever was nessercery, only to spare those I cared about from having to see the "gorey side" of things. If you are bothered by your children seeing fresh marks then I think that is the only thing you should approach about, and even then I'd advise against it.
No matter how good intentions may be I'd always prefered people to butt out

GothAnneGeddes · 03/07/2012 02:58

I did something stupid once and it left stupid scars. I do not like to talk about it and I would absolutely die if anyone asked about it, even though it was over 10 years ago.

I wouldn't say anything O.P.

GirlWithTheMouseyHair · 03/07/2012 03:25

I think everyone sharing their story here is very brave to do so. Just sorry any of us have to go through the bigotry and ignorance of others on top of the harm we cause ourselves

savlonqueen · 03/07/2012 06:10

Wow thank you all for so many responses

Let me first say i 100% disagree with anyone who even remotely thinks she should be fired or not work with children in fact if she were to be fired i would be moving my children to where ever she goes next or hopefully employ her as my nanny i cannot say any more just how much this woman has enriched the lives of my daughters she is better than Mary Poppins according to my daughter and i tend to agree

After all your advice i will defiantly not say anything to her boss or her line manager but i will look hopefully not obviously to see if there are any more marks and maybe talk to her about it just in a general are you okay way but again i am hesitant to do this in case as has been suggested that it makes it worse for her i just want to make sure she has the support she needs but i have no idea how to help her

I worry about saying the wrong thing or like has been suggested her thinking i just want to gossip about her i havent mentioned it to anyone other than here (and this is a very big anonymous place) for fear she will know it is being talked about and that it will make it worse
I think its my maternal side that wants to scoop her up and hug her and make it better for her but i know i cant but i just dont want her to go to far with it

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yellowraincoat · 03/07/2012 07:29

Well OP, rest assured that she's an adult not a child and if you said that you just wanted to "make it better" for me, I'd think you were a patronising twat.

I've had 20 years of depression and personality disorder. A hug from you is not going to make it all ok.

GothAnneGeddes · 03/07/2012 08:43

YRC - Read what the o.p is actually saying. She wants to give her a hug, but knows that she can't and knows that it wouldn't help.
There's a difference between wanting and doing.