To think these teachers should be sacked?

[JosephineCD]

www.telegraph.co.uk/education/primaryeducation/9359632/Teachers-tell-pupils-not-to-offer-seats-to-disabled-passengers-for-safety-reasons.html

Teachers ordered children not to stand up on a train in order to give their seats to a disabled lady and an elderly war veteran. Is it any wonder that kids are leaving school completely fucked up when they have teachers like this? They need to be sacked. There's no excuse for this.

The teacher should of stood up and offered heir own seat, to set a good example to the children.

Hmm. Do we have the full story here? Did the teacher even know the lady needed a seat?

Sacked?

Sacked? Thats a bit extreme

Hmm it's hard.As an ex teacher I'd worry about an accident and being sued. They would have carried out a risk assessment beforehand and I suspect standing up would have been a bit risky to put in it.If there was a sudden breaking it would be serious.

Having said that I'd have given up my seat instead but that hass nothing to do with teaching, so ridiculous to suggest they need to be sacked.

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yes, sack the teaachers for trying to keep the children safe and not get themselves sued by overly litigious parents. Then there will be not trips and the children will miss out, but heyho, who cares about that?

it would have been the right thing if the teachers should have given their seat but no they shouldn't be sacked over this, why would they be?

I imagine the teachers are bound by safety regulations. In the risk assessment the children sitting will have been planned.

Sacking teachers for following the rules is more ridiculous than the rules themselves.

''The school said Ms Cooper did not reveal she was registered disabled at the time and insisted a teacher would have asked one of the older children to give up their seat if this had been known.''

Why is it ridiculous? Why can't teachers do the right thing, instead of worrying about "risk assessments" and other PC bullshit? They need to stop hiding behind regulations, it's total cowardice.

I agree - the teachers should have stood. There must have been more than one looking after the group of children. Pretty bad manners on the teachers part and now there is bad publicity for the school too.

I can see why the school needs to keep children seated in case of accidents and liability etc. but the teachers could have stood instead.

Sacking them is a bit harsh though - they were following a school policy, although they could have managed it a lot better.

Can I also point out THE TEACHER DIDN'T KNOW!!!

No but insurers who insist on ridiculous terms and conditions before agreeing to litigation cover should be. Because I suspect that's what it comes down to.

I agree the teacher should have offered her seat but at the same time we don't know how old the kids were or how likely they were to be silly when standing. If one of them fell the parents could sue the school or make real trouble for the teacher. School trips are very stressful and it is hard keeping your eye on lots of excited kids. It also says that they took up most of the seats not all of them implying there were other seats available. They could also have spoken directly to the teacher as an 8 year old who has been told to sit still and not leave seat would prob not think this was an excepion to the rule.

If standing is too risky, then that means of transport would have to be ruled out, presumably, as one would be unable to guarantee that there would be enough vacant seats. Ditto public buses.

Bit limiting, isn't it?

Or perhaps children could indeed be taught to give up seats to those less able to stand.

I know which I prefer.

And which has been happening widely elsewhere without mass injury.

So what happens to this risk assessment when the train is already full? Do the staff not take the DC on it? As far as I'm concerned if there was such a risk assessment then it's an ass and Josephine, YANBU regardless.

They're not hiding behind the regulations, they're bound by them. If a child was told to stand by a teacher, there was a sudden braking and the child was hurt the teacher could be sacked or suspended for that. They can't bloody win.

We have to worry about risk assessments because if we did not there would be no school trips. Keep all the children out of the way in school. That would be better?

Stop being so hysterical, of course it's not a sacking offence. Yes one of the teachers should have stood up and they probably would have if they had known the women in question needed the seat.
There is a lot of sense in insisting that a load of over-excitable children stay in their seats instead of milling around the train.

I do think the children should be able to stand for elderly passengers btw, but it's the red tape that is to blame, not the teachers.

OH, you are so right OP. Teachers should not give a shit about the health and safety of their pupils!

It's time for a Marvellous! YAB ridiculously U! Wind ya neck in!

Would also like to know if there was anyone else in the carriage who could have given their seat, in preference to an eight year old. (Apart from the teachers, obviously).

Have you ever carried out a school risk assessment Josephine? Or been in charge of a large group of other people's small children?

Secondary is bad enough - I am on edge the whole time.

Imagine the fuss if one of the little charges had pitched forward and broken their arm or something because they were standing.

Parents would come down like a ton of bricks most likely.

How would they know the woman was disabled if she didn't say? The children were aged between 6 & 10 so some of them were quite little and it probably would have been unsafe forcthem to stand. Also in my experience of London trains there are usually more than 35 seats on a train, maybe somebody else could have stood up for the woman?