To think these teachers should be sacked?

[JosephineCD]

www.telegraph.co.uk/education/primaryeducation/9359632/Teachers-tell-pupils-not-to-offer-seats-to-disabled-passengers-for-safety-reasons.html

Teachers ordered children not to stand up on a train in order to give their seats to a disabled lady and an elderly war veteran. Is it any wonder that kids are leaving school completely fucked up when they have teachers like this? They need to be sacked. There's no excuse for this.

I once gave my seat up to a little boy on a bus who was struggling to stay on two feet as I felt as far stronger adult I would manage to stand far safer. his mum was sat with a toddler on her knee and both her and little boy where very thankful and appreciative.

I was thinking that LineRunner, must be a slow news day!

To quote a neighbour who is a primary teacher "damned if you do, damned if you don't". She said there were so many threats of legal action / reporting OFSTED / police that some of her colleagues were getting scared of taking children on school trips. I think it is so sad that my (yet unborn) grandchildren may miss out on these experiences in the future, as the teacher's are too worried about either the stress of court action or loss of their jobs and livelihood if something goes minor wrong or they haven't followed the risk assessment to the letter. Yes, hold gross misconduct accountable, but this is just getting silly.

My understanding was that the man got off in disgust at the children not giving up their seats to the lady. its not very clear wether he was standing also or got out of his seat to get of tube.

Enthusiastic Oh the woman involved clearly wants her 15 minutes of fame but it doesn't change the basic principle that the teachers should have lead by example and given up their seat and if they were already stood up then select a sensible pupil and get them to stand by them to give the woman a seat. If no-one else in the carriage would do it, especially if they were in the clearly marked seats for the elderly, disabled, people with kids and pregnant women, then it was incumbent on the teachers to set the example.

Since when did good manners imply that children were worthless and subservient? They have younger legs, that's all. You must be wearing your trotski pants tonight mate.

Why would he get off in disgust? To what actual end?

Did he actually exist?

I will trade in my Cor Blimey Trousers for Trotsky Pants.

But what if the teachers was sat with a child with SN, my son has asd so would need a teacher to sit by him A stranger would not be able as he would be jumping all over them as he has no concept of people personal space

Line runner I find the presence of a rent a quote war hero a little convenient in this story too, why is it that whenever a young person does anything there is a national treasure to hand ready to make a comment?

9. we do not know if any of this actaully happened.

he I posted a very witty common about my trotski pants and mumsnet went down and my post is lost.

but in short, I absolutly never get into a good old debate about manners without them

I was quite proud of the reporter for finding rentaquote war hero. They don't come along very often!
There will be a nugget of truth in the story somewhere, it will not all be lies. There is a lot that is not clear.

Do schools take kids with SN on tube train excursions often? Genuinely curious. I'd have thought that would be a logistical and 'elf and safety niiiiightmare!

I wonder if Trotsky pants come in a variety of colours? Red obviously....

"I said, ?may I sit down?? And the children said, ?no, we?re not allowed to stand up?. The teacher didn?t intervene.?" this makes it sound like she asks a child, and maybe a teacher didnt hear her request?

the children were doing as they were told!! so they cant win can they do what they were instructed to and they are rude, but if they disobey the teacher then they are being naughty.

its obviously a slow news day!

One of my teachers actually lost a student on the tube because we couldn't all sit together. She got off at the wrong stop, swept up in the crowd getting off. She was 18! What kind of outcry would there be if that happened to a 10-year-old?

I'm not saying that would happen just that it could. That's what risk assessments are for, identifying risks and taking steps to minimise them.

May I be the first to point the MASSES of holidays teachers get.? :o

echt they were probably rushing to get home at 3pm

Echo, they get masses of holiday so they can all go to London as a big group and take up all the seats on the tube, bloody teachers, how dare they look after our kids

the other thing is as the tube draws into the station the teacher calls out no one get up. This is also a sensible thing to say to a large group of children wether the carrage full or empty as I can imagine a few children may get up and could get lost. The report could also make it sound like she wa instructing them not to give up their seats.

there are just too many flaws and possible misrepresentations for my liking.

any colour will do, I would not want to make any colourist exclusions, you know all colours have equal merit.

DD has ASN and goes on all sorts of trips - even a couple of residential. Risk assessments have been proportionate and sensible. Not a "health and safety nightmare" at all (whatever that is).

and echt

Oh, and OP I forgot to say, you haven't used the term "jobsworth" yet. Slipping up

Have been on loads of tube trips with school children. I have never yet sat - too busy trying to keep an eye on everyone! Some tube trains are a better lay out for getting kids to scrunch up, and also for being able to see / hear what other passengers are saying or need.

Our school policy is to have the children sitting where possible. "Where possible" means if there is a seat and unless there is someone with a greater need. I can easily imagine a child saying they "weren't allowed to get up" especially a younger one. That is broadly the rule, unless we tell them otherwise. We would all usually try to offer a seat if we see someone who might want a seat, but on a long, noisy tube ride it would be very easy to miss someone.

On buses we always go upstairs, so that we are not taking up elderly / disabled seats. I do sit up there, as you get in trouble with the driver if you do not.

anyway im exilling my self now, I have my bedroom to tidy and a date with wine and a book.

keep you'r eyes peeled for staling Im sure he will be along quite soon on such a thread, he just cant resist spouting his nazi views all over mn these days.