To think these teachers should be sacked?

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www.telegraph.co.uk/education/primaryeducation/9359632/Teachers-tell-pupils-not-to-offer-seats-to-disabled-passengers-for-safety-reasons.html

Teachers ordered children not to stand up on a train in order to give their seats to a disabled lady and an elderly war veteran. Is it any wonder that kids are leaving school completely fucked up when they have teachers like this? They need to be sacked. There's no excuse for this.

To all those questioning how they could have guaranteed seats for the children in order to meet risk assessment requirements and therefore avoid litigation perhaps they reserved them?

I have been on/read at least two other threads in the past month (IIRC) where the OP appears to have a massive problem with teachers. I mean huge.

I particularly like the bit where she says teachers are to blame for following the rules.

FWIW, I really dislike your views on teachers OP.

I saw a similar incident recently. A small single decker bus route in London with limited seating. Games teacher with 2 colleagues and about 20 kids aged 8-9 from a local private primary were waiting at a bus stop which is in front of a major shopping centre at about 4.30pm. Lead teacher positions herself at the front of the queue stepping in front of everyone else and shoves all the kids on first telling them to get the seats. Quite a few elderly people with shopping, Mums with small children etc had to stand. I was already on the bus, but stood up for those passengers as did some other people. I thought it was fucking selfish and appalling bad manners that the kids took the majority of seats in the bus regardless of who else might have benefitted more. I didn't know it was now "policy".

You can't reserve seats on the tube

It isn't policy. In the article the LEA says it isn't policy.

Being fluffy, a tube is not the same as a small bus, I have never seen a tube train with just one carriage, there would have been other seats, or at the very least other adults on the tube

Risk assessments for school trips are hideous things.

I hates them I does - but they are The Law.

if you see my mum from behind she looks like a 16 yr old not her 60+ years. i have always been quite proud of that. until realising just now that if you see me from behind standing next to her, i probably look like her DM....... oh bugger...erase that thought

BeingFluffy where did you get the idea that it was now policy?

It's just rude. It doesn't matter if the passenger was old or not. She was older than the children and probably the teachers therefore, good manners dictates you offer your seat.

Miss Debrett says: "The days when a carriage-full of men leapt to their feet at the sight of a standing woman are long gone, but whether you are a man or woman, you should offer your seat to the elderly, to people with walking sticks/legs in plaster and other obvious signs that standing is painful, to mothers with babes in arms and to the pregnant. If you belong to one of these categories and someone offers you a seat, accept it with good grace; it is embarrassing to be turned down, and might make the good Samaritan hesitant about behaving courteously in the future."

Gibbous, to the best of my knowledge you can't book seats on a tube train.

no the teachers shouldnt be sacked, did the people requiring seats ask the teachers or just ask the children? that isnt very clear?

where there no other people who could have given up their seats? tbh on the tube i would rather that kids of 6-10yrs were sitting down, well at least all the 6-8yrs olds, i was in london last week with my 4yr old and 18mth old and ended up standing having to hold the toddler and hold ds4, it is quite hard to stay stood balanced, my 4yr old didnt manage it without help, the tube can be quite jerky so i think young children are better off sat down. mind you if i was in that situation and i was standing and my kids were sitting i would happily tell my kids to sit on the floor so that those more in need could have their seats and yes the floor is dirty but my kids and their clothes can be washed! and at least then they wouldnt be trying to balance and risk falling over.

were all the carriages full?

Sorry Nancy, there was s much mention of the word 'train' I didn't see 'tube'.

*so

that should be were not where!

The other fascinating thing about the Suez Crisis of course is the Israeli involvement and the way the USA had a cat's bum mouth on.

Why the fuck should they be sacked? Would you expect to get sacked for rudeness OP? Why should teachers?

soverylucky, if the kids are taught at primary age that it's okay to sit while an elderly gentleman and a lady of older years who has had to ask for a seat stand there's little hope that they'll have the manners to offer a seat by the time they're teenagers. My teenaged children would always offer their seat to an adult because they were raised to do so from the time they could stand.

radio helen she was not elderly and her disability was not obviouse, I also just think the story is cashing ion on whjat was an obviouse missunderstanding and the woman could have delt with the situation far better in ensuring she got a seat.

I hate the outdated view that children are worthless and should be subservbiant to anyone older than them. Im sorry but they paid their fayer just like anyone else on that tube and so they have a right to be seated just like anyone else.

But I'm not sure that this narrative is accurate.

Surely there were other people who could have offered their seats? The teachers are duty bound to ensure the safety of the children.

We don't even know if the teacher heard the woman ask to sit down, if the woman had any sense she would have realized that 35 kids that small were unlikely to be traveling on the tube on their own, she could have easily spoken to a teacher rather than the children, this just sounds like a story made up by someone that wants to moan

It seems like anyone can go whingeing to a paper these days about anything and it'll get printed.