To think these teachers should be sacked?

[JosephineCD]

www.telegraph.co.uk/education/primaryeducation/9359632/Teachers-tell-pupils-not-to-offer-seats-to-disabled-passengers-for-safety-reasons.html

Teachers ordered children not to stand up on a train in order to give their seats to a disabled lady and an elderly war veteran. Is it any wonder that kids are leaving school completely fucked up when they have teachers like this? They need to be sacked. There's no excuse for this.

A child having to stand because of a lack of seats would be covered by a risk assessment ( reasonable precautions taken category) . A child TOLD to get out of a seat and stand wouldn't ( deliberate placing of child in potential harm).
( Teacher having just completed a 16 page risk assessment for a London residential !

My Trotsky Pants are feeling fairly loose today.

It is a nightmare of health and safety and snowball3 is correct.

My history is shit.

So, which war would a person in their late 70's have been fighting in Egypt?

I think all teachers should just get sacked for being teachers. People are always wanting to sack them for one reason or another, so this would just save time.

Just thinking about taking a group of primary school children on a tube has increased my heart rate.

I applaud teachers who undertake such trips, and take such good care of the children.

The problem is that they are taking public transport. There is probably no practical answer to this, but could members of the public be warned that the carriages will be full of school parties, giving them the option of sitting on the platform, and waiting for the next tube?

I think british troups remained in egypt untill late 50s.

Nasser (Egypt) decided to nationalise the Suez Canal which has hitherto been British-controlled. Britain persuaded the Israelis to invade in 1956, and then Britain and France piled in for the scuffle, and the USA said Oh No You Don't and the USSR and UN agreed with the USA, and Britain got stuffed but it wasn't a 'war'.

can i just randomly shout....

FASHISTS

I don't need your fascist groove thing

lol at...but it wasn't a war. that just made me laugh, so in effect does that not make him a veteran then?

or make him not a veteran? even

If he exists he can be whatever he likes.

Maybe the teacher was 68, as per new pension age, & didn't see why she should stand for a slip of a girl .

Great thread, we haven't had a nice teacher bash for oooh, days...

Were there no other passengers on the carriage who could have stood up? Surely the whole carriage wasn't just the one group of children?

Was the teacher aware at the time? If so, then yes - they should have stood up instead.

On a school trip however I would be reluctant to have a young child stood up on public transport. I would stand up myself, but would not like to have young children stood due to the risk to them. We have to follow the rules - to not do so, even if nothing happens, can lead to disciplinary at work. Would you also want the teacher sacked for not doing his/her job properly?

But no - I don't think they should have been sacked for this.

Re the seats thing - when we go on public transport (buses here) we call the bus company in advance if taking several children. We arrange a suitable time. If the bus doesn't have enough room for all children we don't get on and wait for the next one - the bus company will sometimes send an additional bus on the route if necessary. We only get on though if they can all get on and sit down though.

all teachers should be sacked. including me. then you can look after your own obnoxious little brats day in and day out.

what a completely hyperbolic, reactionary and- may I speak freely - twattish post.

Yes - sack the teachers! sack them all - for not encouraging little kiddies to stand up for someone they didn't even know was disabled. Sack them for not being mindreaders! And tell the Daily Mail, quick! it's Another Sign of Our Disintegrating Society.

I expect at the root of it are the Cancerous Lefties - you wouldn't get the Tories spawning children or teachers like this -
they would be jerking to their feet like a trained army no doubt.

And what's with the reference (in the torygraph piece) to a Catholic school who DID stand and offer up their seats - oh, wait............it's all falling into place............THEY WERE ATHIESTS?

OMG ! that explains it then. They didn't give up their seats because they are athiest left wing scum, is that it OP?

To anyone who wonders why teachers just don't like going on school trips any more - this thread and its fuckwitted premise is why.

radiohelen: Do schools take kids with SN on tube train excursions often? Genuinely curious. I'd have thought that would be a logistical and 'elf and safety niiiiightmare!

Of course we take children with SN out on school trips, including public transport. We will do whatever we can to ensure ALL children can come on a trip, we are not just going to leave one at school whilst the rest get to go out. We would probably get additional support in to help with that child, but they wouldn't be banned.

Oh FGS!!! Teacher would have had to write about 15 pages of risk assesments before taking the kids on the train!!!! She was probably under strict instructions from the health and safetey manger at her school that the children must all sit down, and is lucky that they even allowed her to go in the first place. She probably gave each child a 15 minute lecture on how they MUST remain seated for the entire journey (probably shitting herself at the lack of seatbelts) and under no circumstances should they stand up for fear of injury (for if they were to be hurt the teachers life and career would be well and truly over). Can't win, kids obeying teacher, kids not obeying teacher, whatever!

A couple of months ago, whilst 8 1/2 months pg, I got on the tube. Every seat in the carriage was taken up by a school party, including teachers.

Nobody gave me a seat.

I'm a teacher.

Do I win a p45?

Can someone please tell that school that there is no such thing as a 'register' for disabled people. There are registers for sex offenders, and paedophiles, but disabled people aren't on some DWP tome. I find it it really offensive when people refer to this 'register' . Someone is disabled. End of.

I wouldnt want my child standing on the tube and would go ape shit if he was put at risk when there were other adults about that could manage better. There were other seats and as the the children only took up most of the seats. If i were there, i would be happy to stand, my child would stay seated and safe. The teacher has to act in the best interests of all the children in their charge, they dont have the right to risk their safety for percieved social niceties.

If the 'children must sit down" does that mean they can only travel on services where they can secure suitable block seat reservations?

And as you cannot book seats on the Tube or public buses, does that rule them out too?

Well, if the poor teacher had heard (which she may not have done), and had tried to get a child to stand up, it could have been pandemonium.

"Me, miss!"
"No, me!"
"Pick me, I'm really good, Miss. I could balance on one leg!"