To think these teachers should be sacked?

[JosephineCD]

www.telegraph.co.uk/education/primaryeducation/9359632/Teachers-tell-pupils-not-to-offer-seats-to-disabled-passengers-for-safety-reasons.html

Teachers ordered children not to stand up on a train in order to give their seats to a disabled lady and an elderly war veteran. Is it any wonder that kids are leaving school completely fucked up when they have teachers like this? They need to be sacked. There's no excuse for this.

So there were exactly the right amount of available seats per child?!
Of course someone (any able body) should have stood up, especially if asked to.

YABU about sacking though

Teachers are to blame for obeying their orders to the letter. Why do so many people in the public sector do this instead of using initiative and common sense?

I'm amazed that a risk assessment would presume that all the children would be sitting. What if there just wasn't enough seats?

Sacked for following the safety guidelines that they are expected to follow.

Good call.

Sorry, I meant, bollocks.

That story looks like a complete load of bollocks to me.

Most of it's made up.

"''The school said Ms Cooper did not reveal she was registered disabled at the time and insisted a teacher would have asked one of the older children to give up their seat if this had been known."

So what's their excuse for the treatment of the elderly gentleman then? I presume that it was obvious that he was in his late 70s without him revealling it.

Note too that other schools don't operate this ridiculous policy.

This would never happen where I live and rightly so IMO, elderly are treated with respect. Every able-bodied child and adult should always offer a seat to a disabled or elderly person. Every single time. It is a terrible lesson to teach dc to ignore the needs of the elderly and disabled.

That poor teacher you want sacked had probably spent hours filling in risk assessment forms just to be able to take his / her class on an educational trip.

I imagine 'travel' conditions were covered in the risk assessment and had the children stood rather than sat, the insurers would have been all over them like a rash (in the event of an accident).

It seems YABU to me, although I respect the fact you are motivated by the perceived treatment of the lady with the disability.

I'm all for giving up a seat for an elderly or disabled person. But the teacher had a responsibility for the pupils safety. I have seen teachers asking smaller children on trains to squash up say four to a seat for two. This might have been the answer here. Or somebody else in the carriage could have given up their seat.

Because josephine they could get sacked if they disregard safety! You are sounding a bit hysterical..

Fuck me, I go away for a while and this place turns into a Daily Fail knicker hoiking bum splitting hell hole of idiocy and "Its PC gorn MAAAAAAAD"ness.

The man in his 70s 'who had fought in Egypt for this country' was reported to have existed by Ms Cooper.

If you ignore a risk assessment you'd be in serious shit surely,would probably be dobbed in by somebody running to the press reporting school children not being looked after properly on trips.

Oh and as a mother of a child who had an accident on a bus when dd ended up flying under several seats after breaking and a near nasty one with the 3 dc on a train standing up when no adult would give my obviously poorly 6 year old a seat even for 5 mins during a 40 min journey(it goes both ways)I think you'd be foolish to take any risk with other people's children in a professional capacity.

Times have changed.Childminders have to right risk assessments on their own living rooms.If they're not up to scratch they aren't allowed to work.

Oh my goodness, have just read the comments at the bottom of the Telegraph article.

The word "frothing" springs to mind....

Why do they follow the orders? Ermm, maybe because they could be sacked for not doing so? It's an interesting topic to debate, I do think teachers are bound by too many rules these days, but you're kind of spoiling it with your adamant conviction they should be sacked, full stop.

Teachers are to blame for obeying their orders to the letter. Why do so many people in the public sector do this instead of using initiative and common sense?

Is that a rhetorical question? Damned silly one anyway.

and if an elderly man of 70 or a woman with MS is standing whilst all these dc are sitting down safely and the train brakes suddenly, the elderly man and the woman will not get hurt?

Is frothing contagious, as the op seems to have caught a dose of it...

Yup, sack the teachers for not being mindreaders and for supervising the children in their care.

and can anyone define "common sense".

write sorry,typing fast

Zzzen, do you live somewhere other than the UK by any chance?

Yes they would get hurt :( Which is why teachers should be allowed to use their common sense without fear of reprisal.

Also, it doesn't really make any difference that they didn't know she is disabled. She felt she needed a seat and asked for one, unless everybody else (who heard her) felt less able than her, she should have been offered a seat.
I often look around to see if anyone looks like they need a seat as i know how it feels when you're feeling rough and have to stand.

There is 36 seat per carriage why not just go to another careiage