To feel physically sick......

[frannie1981]

that ITV documentary on now is treating cold blooded murderers as normal human beings. They are showing no remorse but detailing their crimes, I think it's awful they are even being given airplay, done get me started on the perks they have (Christmas dinner) etc. The poor families of their victims is what I think.....

no what im annoyed at is im made out to be a heartless bitch when my messages overlapped, that comment was not made in anyway as a personal thing against anyone especially about that i hadnt read your comment, im not that sort of person to upset someone like that, all my opinion was that i dont believe prisioners should get compassion after commiting a crime, then people started to have a go at me about how educated and illiterate i am, i dont see how that makes any difference as noone else has to prove how illiterate they are when having a discussion. or making their point, i have made mine, but im not having everyone think that i put that comment on there to upset someone i put it as a genralisation of the whole discussion

Lurking, I'm so sorry one fuckwit has upset you. It's not worth your energy - be glad you have the intelligence, strength and humanity to make a real difference. x

I said you were emotionally illiterate

Try reading a bit more carefully.

yeah but im not though as my comment was not in the context it was taking in, that obviously would have gone against my whole point of the discussion if you read my earlier statement you will see

be glad you have the intelligence, strength and humanity to make a real difference

Seconded - and something sadly lacking in the poster who upset you.

I did 'The Stanford Prison Experiment' in the first year they offered psych. It was considered one of the most basic introductions to psych. Which is why I made my original comment about knowledge of psych.) I'm no expert but I find a lot of people in my course found this changed their views on prison life which I obviously think is fantastic.

I actually wish I had the smarts to study psych more. I'd love to be a research psychologist- The possibilities..

Sooty I just wanna say what you do is a really wonderful service. It must be (at times) very rewarding. I've thought about becoming a correctional counsellor, but my true calling lies with helping victims I think. :)

It's not about compassion. It's more making the best out of a bad situation.

I've read all your comments Tough Ted and I see no reason to change my mind.

I remember studying the Stanford experiment Empusa, it's so interesting and also in some ways so unsurprising. It explains one of the reason I don't trust anyone in a position of power.

The comment I'd make to Ted who I do believe is entitled to his/her views because I do understand where they are coming from and how they do make sense if you look at things on one level, is that

-person A commits an act devoid of compassion for person B
-person C then treats person A with no compassion, (it does not have any effect on person B)

• what makes person A and person C different? That one did it first. Maybe yes if we were talking about pinching or hair pulling or something trivial, but in terms of life and death and freedom there is little difference.
• if person C treats person A with compassion, showing the right and moral and human way to behave and gives person A the skills for them to function in this way and use there time in a valid way, surely this makes person C better than person A.

I personally am not too fussed in regards to the guards, the management of prisoners is a whole other issue in my head, have a lot of respect for them but my posts focus on the prisoners.

Guess nobody will be watching Gordon then?

Thank you garlicbum and sooty..Strangely enough, the kindness of strangers sometimes takes away the sting of other strangers!

I shouldn't have let it get to me. That's the main thing I'm working on in my course, getting my heart off my sleeve..I always end up playing 'bad cop'

"I did 'The Stanford Prison Experiment' in the first year they offered psych. It was considered one of the most basic introductions to psych."

Same here. And I did the psych a-level. I don't get how anyone could have done the a-level and not seen the relevance of that particular experiment.

well i dont really care about changing your mnd or anyone elses, all i was saying is that that last comment as not in the context it was made out to be so you cant have a go at me for something i didnt do

Lurking

My counselling is private practice - the day job with clients is drug intervention, addressing offending and employment and training advice. I do some work in prisons and I know they're not a walk in the park.

My problem was the oh so 'accidental' timing of the comments about my loved one..I'm not an idiot, I know it was no accident. Usually I suffer fools quietly but that was a whoooole new level of low, gotta admit.

*their. Really must go to bed.

Apologies for my over simplified explanation, I know it doesn't include protection and management but it's how I would explain it to my children etc.

It was about the worst comment I've seen on here and no amount of justification and whining alters that.

You did attack Lurking's bereavement, Ted. You kept pushing your emotional ravings despite the fact that she'd gone to the trouble of explaining exactly why she's reached the conclusions she has. You never once acknowledged the other point of view, just rubbished it.

You even claimed you were showing compassion for Lurking by directly opposing everything she wrote! You've shown all the sensitivity of a bulldozer in a flower bed.

I don't know you from other threads but you have been utterly horrible on this one.

so why would i even bother typing what ive put if i was such a heartless bitch ??? there is a delay unless you refresh the page.i dont know why your making the whole conversation about you when i was speaking generally....i know i didnt say it to you in that context so you can belive what you like,

May I ask if you find 'it's worth it' often enough? (I know it's never 'often enough' but I Hope you see what I mean) It was only the second on my list of job choices. My prof said I would be eaten alive because I'm not 'butch' enough. Dontcha love sexism?! We get soo much of it, even from the few actual cops who are taking the course for extra qualifications. Thank God women are getting involved, we can clean up this mess!

I love it Lurking

Yes, it has its frustrations and heartache but there are good outcomes too.

I believe you didn't think I would call you out, and now like the petulant (look it up if you even own a dictionary) child you are you're back-peddling.

Today really has been a day of nasty comments! A lady on another thread got a PM telling her 'not to breed any more.' :(

Oops, sorry for speaking on your behalf Lurking! Thought you'd gone
As I clearly should ... now!!

I always think one good outcome is worth every thousand awful one. I think you need to be a bit of a cock-eyed-optimist to work in any of these fields!

Oh, I agree: I'm very much a glass half full person.

I should too! I've literally been up all night with my bloody insomnia (it's 10:30Am now )

Thank you by the way. The kindness helps. I'm too sensitive, can't let pricks like this get to me yet I always seem to fall for it.

Only person in the world more sensitive than me is my DP!