to think this is very wrong?

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www.newsrt.co.uk/news/teachers-at-salford-school-help-girl-pupil-15-have-abortion-without-telling-her-parents-488772.html

They ask for CONSENT FORMS to take the kids to a museum in the town centre during school hours...
or to rub sun lotion on little ones...
and they can't use corporal punishment on misbehaving pupils (quite rightly so IMO) even WITH parental consent, while mild smacking is still legal at home...

But when it comes to getting rid of an unwanted baby, suddenly teachers know what's best for a child who isn't theirs and the consent form doesn't get sent because the person who is actually responsible for the girl is a nuisance to be EXCLUDED from all decisions.

AIBU to be annoyed that anyone in a respected position at a school would think this was acceptable?

crunchbag-

I thought this was pretty much over last Tuesday, but someone pro-life brought it back up and I just noticed it again...

What are you saying about confiding in teachers W/O parents and education? This is AIBU. What are you referring to? My posts are all about this particular case here.

Does making abortion easy and cutting parents out not represent a war- on the young women who have no parental involvement and can suffer after their abortions, and on the parents who are cut out as if by a curette from the issue? Are schools perpetuating a war on women here?

thread's dead baby, thread's dead.

"dead baby"- pun intended? if not "baby" may be seen as sexist. so not good either way DF.

I'm sorry OP but there is no war here. Not on the parents, or on the zygotes that the girls are seeking abortions for.

The thread was basically over last Friday, when another poster likened abortion to holocaust and child slaughter.

I thought it was over, which is why I wasn't looking for it since last Tuesday, but then it came up as history when I was just trying to type mumsnet and saw that there were more responses, particularly crunchbag who seems to think I am the same poster as on Education when typing this username in would show I have no posts on that forum.

Just to correct you, "zygotes"? They are AT LEAST embryos and most will be more than 8 weeks old (but less than 14), so foetuses are involved. A zygote is the product of the sperm and egg before the first few divisions so this is inaccurate biology. Unborn child, on the other hand, covers all stages from fertilisation to birth.

pfft, it's a quote from a film slightly bastardised.

oops... said 'bastard', child born out of wedlock [shockl] woops, lots of people not in relationships have abortions, child, woops, oh dear bad form, oh dear...

I've not got to the bottom of the thread yet, so apologies if this is not relevant.

Who told the newspapers about this case? Surely not the school or the hospital, or the girl herself?

It can only have been the parents.

If they were OK with the outcome, but just sad she hadn't felt able to discuss it with them, surely they would have accepted the choice she had made, and moved on as a family. So it would seem the parents are simply against abortion.

So no wonder she didn't want to discuss it with them because she thought they'd put pressure on her rather than let her make her own decision about her own body.

Why so defensive when all I did was asking if you had posted something similar under a different topic, a simple yes or no would have sufficed, a pm was overdoing it.

Still think YABU

zygote - embryo, still a collection of cells.

Child - born and capable of life independently outside the womb - and no, I'm not going to enter a debate regarding the time limits on abortion.

Human - not an incubator against her will. This is why these services are offered.

I'm not being "so defensive", I'm answering a question which was unfounded and derailing, if I had posted against children who confide in teachers would it affect your view of this case at all? if not why is that relevant?

TBR: No, an UNBORN child is a child who has not been born... but this was never about abortion as I said several times. It was about whether the school should be involved and what part the parents had to play. You are pretty clear on parents having no say. I was seeing how many people would agree that I was NBU- about one in six (12/70) I think. Not a majority so either my view is unpopular or this is a left-wing biased site, as I have heard said a few times.

I also understand your point but yes YABU.

It isnt as if they told her it was for the best, booked the appointment for her walked her in and held her had.
The offered support and advice for a frightened teen.
I am sure they made several attempts to convince the girl to talk to her parent, but ultimately it was her decision, and very rightly so.

We have no idea of the circumstances, and it is wrong to judge the school for doing their best to help a girl in a horrible situation.
Thank god she had the school for support, can you imagine what it would have been like for the poor girl if she had gone through it on her own?!

I bet she eventually told her parents after encouragement from the school, they obviously did a good job in concealing her if afterwards she was able to feel confident and brave enough to tell her parents.

I personally think it is fantastic that she school is good and supportive enough that the girl felt conformable to talk to them when she was clearly not able to talk to her family for whatever reason, I wish more schools had such a good student support system.

Exactly the point I made to another poster up thread.

What you are not willing to see is that this system is in place because some parents don't have the trust of their daughters to deal with this in a mature and sensible fashion.

I'm pretty clear on my view, yes. That view is just what I've posted in the sentence above. I have first hand experience of parents like this; who can not/will not act in an appropriate fashion - which is to help their daughters deal with a major event like this.

There are more than enough children suffering from neglect, abuse and parental resentment already. Why on earth would we, as a society, tell these girls that they should go through with these pregnancies, simply because of some people's beliefs?

As for the 'left wing site' comment, it is entirely possible that people here have considered your viewpoint but have the real life experience to see differently - I don't really think that you'll find that all 'left wingers' support abortion & abortion services, and all 'right wingers' are against abortion.

You have to be quite mature to ask for help from anyone in that situation.

We had a girl at my school who didn't tell anyone for so long she had to have a baby she didn't want at 15, because she just stuck her head in the sand and refused to face it.

YANBU