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AIBU to be annoyed at a so called female 'friend' demanding to go on my fiancee's stag do?

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RidingHood · 28/05/2012 16:45

We are getting married next month and as such my husband to be is having a stag night on the 16th - he has a small group of male friends and they will be going on the stag do along with male members of both our families.

One problem is that one of his friend's girlfriend has invited herself to the stag party and I am not particularly happy about this. My fiancee has insisted that she mentioned going with them and he didn't say she could or couldn't but she claims that he said she was more than welcome.

I told him he had to put her straight but instead he got his best man to tell her, and I have now heard all sorts about her calling me a b**ch and basically calling me behind my back - but I really don't think it is unreasonable of me to expect the stag party to be purely male.

She doesn't have any female friends (which makes me wary in the first place) and all the other guys seem to be backing her and saying 'she's one of the lads'. She has even invited one of the other boys fiancees to the party as well - which it is not her place to do so.

So am I being overly insecure or unreasonable or am I right to stand my ground and expect a traditional and respectful approach? I just want everything to be proper!

OP posts:
GreenEyesAndHam · 28/05/2012 19:03

and all the other guys seem to be backing her and saying 'she's one of the lads'

^^ there

YouOldSlag · 28/05/2012 19:04

Oh yes, so they did. Must have missed that bit.

I still think the OP has a point though!

GreenEggsAndNichts · 28/05/2012 19:37

I'm not really sure the issue is whether or not females should be at a stag night. Personally, my interests are more tomboy-ish, and I'd be quite happy to do paintball, go-karting, etc. Much happier than I would be doing the stereotypical hen night activities.

I think a mixed party would be great fun. But the point in the OP is that it was planned as a guys-only event. This woman then invited herself along. Someone upthread said it's telling that all the guys agreed, but really, that sounds pretty typical for a group of guys. If she's particularly overbearing, they'd just say yeah sure, or whatever, and complain later on.

If someone were planning a girls' night (lets not call it a hen night, just say it's a bunch of girlfriends who want to go out, see a film, have drinks, whatever) and one of the girls had a bf who insisted on coming along, I think people would have an opinion on that. Either the BF would sound controlling (possible) overly lonely (possible) or just can't bear having a night alone without his gf (a wee bit sad). And yes, having the guy along would change the dynamic of the evening. There's jokes that might normally be made that wouldn't be with the guy along, or comments about partners, etc.

I should stress again (because the way this thread is going, I can tell I'll be accused of this) that I love my male friends, and I much, much prefer mixed parties. If I'd had a hen do at all, it would have had all my friends, not just my female friends. But the fact is, the OP's DF was planning a boys night out, and this woman who wasn't even his friend invited herself AND another woman along. WTAF, seriously. And the fact that she is making a huge deal and calling the OP a bitch tells me that she's an attention-seeker and other words I won't use.

Perhaps the OP shouldn't have made a big deal out of it, but it's done now, and I don't think this woman is a big loss from the hen night. Grin

AThingInYourLife · 28/05/2012 19:42

"Because she's a woman who happens to like the company of men better than other women?"

Women who "like the company of men more than women" are just annoying wagons that other women won't put up with.

They have no real friend's and hang around with their boyfriend's mates trying to be one of the boys, except sexy.

They are a truly tragic breed.

This woman sounds like a total fucking nightmare inviting herself where she isn't wanted, turning on the waterworks when she doesn't get her own way, calling the OP a bitch, refusing to let her boyfriend go on a friend's stag.

I imagine everyone is delighted el friendlesso is going to be on the stag seeking attention, bad flirting and making the whole thing about her.

missmalteser · 28/05/2012 19:56

This is why joint Hen/stag nights out are the way forward, i personally find it very old fashioned and excluding (sexist to both sides maybe) to organise a night out to celebrate your upcoming nuptials with your nearest and dearest then have to exclude half of them because they have/have not (delete as appropriate) a penis? nah, not for me! Op I realise this is beyond repair but in your situation I definitely would've emalgimated both nights and celebrated together.

MsPaperbackWriter · 28/05/2012 20:00

Ffs, all you having a go at the op are missing the bleeding point here, that loon of a woman is not the fiance's close friend and he DID NOT invite her and because her own bf said don't be silly he said nothing at the time as he thought it was sorted. Loon woman then cries when she is told she is not invited and some of you think the op is the unreasonable one?! Really? I can bet that if the op's fiancé had a good female friend who he HAD invited then she would have been fine with this.
Some of you are being very unfair to the op

MsPaperbackWriter · 28/05/2012 20:03

Well said athinginyourlife

DaisyMaisyJessicaEmily · 28/05/2012 20:10

and all the other guys seem to be backing her and saying 'she's one of the lads'.

Seems she IS regarded as a friend of all the lads though Enormasnob

DaisyMaisyJessicaEmily · 28/05/2012 20:12

Women who "like the company of men more than women" are just annoying wagons that other women won't put up with. They have no real friend's and hang around with their boyfriend's mates trying to be one of the boys, except sexy. They are a truly tragic breed.

What an absolute load of complete and utter bollocks! i'd be Angry if it weren't so Grin

MarySA · 28/05/2012 20:14

Couldn't agree more with your post athinginyourlife. Stag nights are for men. Otherwise they aren't stag nights. If you want a mixed night out then have one. Can't believe some people have difficulty with this.

DaisyMaisyJessicaEmily · 28/05/2012 20:17

I'd also wonder that it wasn't only when the OP said to her H2B that she was uncomfortable with a woman being there (why by the way?) that he backtracked and blamed it on her inviting herself.

Just sayin'...

AThingInYourLife · 28/05/2012 20:19

It's not bollocks, Daisy, it's a well-known fact to all women who are liked by other women.

No woman chooses not to have any female friends. She just pretends that the reason other women can't stand her is because they're all jealous of her/threatened by her/she just clicks better with men.

The reality is that groups of men have low standards when it comes to putting up with women who hang around and tell them how great they are and simper.

But they are never really part of the boy club, just ancillary members.

Which is why the stag and the boyfriend don't want this silly wagon anywhere near the stag, but the others are lying to her and telling her she's "one of the lads" when she cries to them about how mean everyone is. Really nobody wants here there, at best they don't give a fuck if she shows.

Men and women in mixed groups is a totally different dynamic, but you can't be part of a friendly mixed group if other women don't like you and you see them all as competition for male attention.

DaisyMaisyJessicaEmily · 28/05/2012 20:20

tosh.

NurseBernard · 28/05/2012 20:23

Likewise, I am cringing a bit for the mate's girlfriend who has pushed her way into this, snd who obviously lacks a teeny bit of self-awareness...

My and DH's group of friends has burgeoned since the two of us go together to be one, big homogenous group. It is always, always mixed groups when we socialise. DH has a huge circle of old friends - I am very close to his 3 best male friends and have become really good mates with his female friends, independently from him.

Our Stag and Hens were an anomaly, in that they were just men and just women. Not sure why really - we just went down the traditional route. All his women friends, who I am good friends with, came on my do. My best friend's husband went on his stage do. When DH's very best friend got married - who I adore and practically set up with his wife - did I demand to go along to his stag do? Um, no. Hardly.

God, I can't think of much more cringeworthy (well, I probably could if I put my mind to it Grin) than demanding to be let along to my DH's friend's stag do... :-/

Not because 'women' shouldn't be allowed. But because it reeks of a certain brand of 'ooh, I'm mad, me, one of the lads, they all think I'm the total biz', that is just too embarrassing for words. The fact that the other blokes went along with it most certainly does not speak volumes...! Grin

OP - you are not being unreasonable. This whole thing says so much more about the rather embarrassing friend of your DH's mate (not even his mate) than it does about anyone else, least of all you.

If this was a really good friend of his who you'd presumably be friends with by now anyway, then I'm certain the whole thing would be panning out quite, quite differently. :)

squeakytoy · 28/05/2012 20:31

Hell of a lot of scathing bitterness and incorrect assumptions there Athing...

Hmm
PrematurelyAirconditioned · 28/05/2012 20:37

Well done Athing, you've carried off my "Most pointlessly vile generalisations on MN this month" award, in the teeth of some pretty fierce competition. Verityvictrix must be sobbing into her beer.

bochead · 28/05/2012 20:38

Please tell me Ms Tag-a-long won't be coming to the wedding, after calling the OP a bitch. Stag/hen nights are just a warm up, but the thought of this self-absorbed attention seeker messing up the OP's actual wedding day is starting to concern me.

Hopefully DH's friend has seen what a manipulative controlling madam he's got himself entangled with & dumps her before the Stag night, (- what grown woman CRIES cos she can't go to a stag night ffs?).

WenTheEternallySurprised · 28/05/2012 20:38

"Have to say, I find it very telling that the rest of the fellas backed her up"

You thought so too, eh, GreenEyesAndHam?

AThingInYourLife · 28/05/2012 20:48

No bitterness from me. Just a lot of pity mixed with amusement.

Women who have a policy of disliking all other women and competing with them for men's attention are a pain in the arse.

I'm surprised anyone thinks otherwise.

WenTheEternallySurprised · 28/05/2012 20:48

"Women who "like the company of men more than women" are just annoying wagons that other women won't put up with.

They have no real friend's and hang around with their boyfriend's mates trying to be one of the boys, except sexy.

They are a truly tragic breed."

Hmm

I take it that you're a woman, AThing? No, wait, don't tell me the answer. let me guess.

"Wagons?" Whatever that means in this context? "Breed"? And you wonder why some of us aren't so keen on our own sex?

You aren't exactly doing our sex any favours, are you?

bogeyface · 28/05/2012 20:48

I wonder if the ones opposing ~Athings post are actually the very women she is referring too! I know one woman who was part of a big crowd I was in as a late teen/early twentysomething, and she was just like this. She gradually alienated all of her female friends because of it. She was, as Athing said, tragic. It was embarrassing to witness, and she is still like that now. When she got married she had no bridesmaids because she had no female friends, that how sad it can become.

WyrdMother · 28/05/2012 20:51

AThingInYourLife These days my close friends are women, when I was younger I had female close friends and one close male friend, I also had several male friends who fell into the drinking buddy category.

I never simpered at them, (male or female actually, I don't think I've ever simpered in my life!) and I certainly didn't cry all over them when I didn't get my way I just buggered off and did what I wanted to do wether they wanted to come or not. Sometimes they wanted to do stuff without me too, I didn't cry about that either.

What you've said sounds relevant to what we've been told about the woman under discussion but it's a hell of a generalisation to apply to all Women who might go out occasionally as "one of the boys".

WenTheEternallySurprised · 28/05/2012 20:55

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No woman chooses not to have any female friends. She just pretends that the reason other women can't stand her is because they're all jealous of her/threatened by her/she just clicks better with men.

The reality is that groups of men have low standards when it comes to putting up with women who hang around and tell them how great they are and simper."

I was getting pissed with you AThing. Now I'm just pissing myself.

I choose my close friends for their personalities, mutual interests, sense of humour and lack of utter bullshit-bitchiness. With one exception they're men. I can assure you dear, I'm not trying to be sexy and simpering. Not at 48, with my arse and legs.

I can fucking well hold my own in a conversation about the offside law, who's the best centre back in the country and whether an Alfa holds the road better than a BM though!

Get a grip woman, you're making other women sound mad and you don't sound too smart yourself either.

DaisyMaisyJessicaEmily · 28/05/2012 20:57

Sorry OP to be hijacking your thread somewhat here but Athing are you for real??

Women cannot be friends with men now then?

I have women friends who fulfill one need in my life (cupcakes and coffee mostly!) and the majority of my friends for going out with/watching football with are blokes. I don't get all sexy, simpery and flirty with them, any more than I would do with my women friends.

What a strange outlook you have Confused

bogeyface · 28/05/2012 20:58

Maybe you should question why you dont like women friends wen instead of assuming athing is wrong....