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What is your definition of a spoilt child?

191 replies

lalaland3008 · 21/05/2012 21:08

Is there really such a thing, how does a child become spoilt?

OP posts:
cory · 22/05/2012 08:36

I love your "Priority" story, thegreylady. And if I am right about the tone of your post, I think it shows another interesting thing: how some children can be indulged and take very little damage, because of their character.

My nephew is a case in point. The late child of a mother who never thought she'd have one and a father who feels permanently guilty because, for complicated reasons, he has never been able to live in the same town, he was very much the centre of the universe; everything he did was the sign of genius and his needs were paramount. The whole family went around shaking their heads for years muttering that it's all going to end in tears. And yet he has grown up into an utterly charming young lad, very sensible and level-headed and with lovely manners. His parents have had to stop spoiling him because he won't let them get away with it- he is bright enough to work out that "centre of the universe" is not a pretty look. But he loves them enough to be gentle with them and put them down in a way that does not hurt anyone's feelings.

Still, I don't suppose there are many like him around. Not a risk worth taking.

Jnice · 22/05/2012 08:49

Sorry queenedith I didn't read your other post Blush but I understand now what you mean.

Cory had a good explanation. Makes me happier about my whiners who are pretty good at empathy and giving but do sometimes go on and on about wanting to play wii.

manicbmc · 22/05/2012 08:53

I know most kids have tantrums but I do think still having them publicly past about 3/4 is bad.

Dd had a friend who had a tantrum in a museum gift shop because her mam wouldn't buy her some trinket. She was 9 at the time. Her mother always backed down with her. Now she's much older and has tantrums still (though not so publicly) because she wants extensions/fake tan.

exoticfruits · 22/05/2012 08:54

I agree it is personality-I know an only child who was always given into and yet he is a charming, helpful and completely unspoiled teenager. I wouldn't risk it though.

IAmNotACowbag · 22/05/2012 08:58

Ungrateful, lack of manners, gets everything they want, has tantrums if the word no is even whispered, which are then given in to. Doesn't do any chores or even know how to use the washer or cook by the time they are an adult.

The kind of child that gets to 18 and doesn't see why they should work/go to uni. Just thinks it's acceptable to live off mum and dad and treat them as mugs. young dumb and living off mum

sausagesandmarmelade · 22/05/2012 09:17

By being given everything that they want...immediately.

Not learning the value of things...not waiting for things...not respecting the cost that goes into getting him/her what they want

Parents who spoil their kids too much are making a rod for their own backs...

doormat · 22/05/2012 09:18

a child that the parents presume can do no wrong....

picobama · 22/05/2012 09:19

I also agree with cory. My 9yo DS still has tantrums sometimes but not because I won't give into something, just out of frustration or in reaction to me giving him a consequence for something he's done. He's not spoilt, just tricky!

I think I was probably a bit spoilt. Not with material things so much as my parents didn't have lots of money, but I am an only child and was definitely the centre of attention and had things revolved aronud me quite a bit. I don't think they did me any favours and it felt like a pressure to be perfect too. They were always strict on manners though, and I was a pretty quiet and compliant child anyway.

lou2321 · 22/05/2012 09:26

MY DS2 has just turned 4 and has started going through an awful phase of throwing himself on the floor if I say he can't have or do something. We never give in to him but he still does it. He's definitely not spoilt but acts that way and it is awful and really upsetting.

WandaDoff · 22/05/2012 09:29

A child that is given everything they've ever asked for & more, but appreciates nothing.

ohmygosh123 · 22/05/2012 09:30

A child who doesn't know how to use the words please, thankyou, or sorry. Who comands adults to do things - and when you say 'what's the magic word' or 'what should you say' or 'you need to say please' just looks at you blankly. Who doesn't understand the word NO - and repeats things till they either get their own way (with parents) or drive another child to losing their temper, and then goes and tells Mummy or Daddy that child X has been nasty to them.

Who won't behave in other people's houses, and parents do nothing. When out and about, interferes with another child's pushchair and toys without asking, takes food off other people's plates (including strangers) without asking. Who wanders off when they feel like it, without telling their parents who then blame other people for not keeping an eye on their child. Who thinks that they can use other people's possessions as if they are their own, and that what they say goes and the world revolves around them.

And strangely enough it does, because if one parent vaguely tries to enforce a rule, the other one pops up and starts pandering to their every whim. Then they go too far - like smashing an ashtray in a open air cafe - ignoring the "No [darling] No, put it down" and lobbing it as hard as possible. And then howls in shock because her parents finally get angry.

You can tell I spent a week on holiday with a family with a spoilt little monster ;-) And am bitter because the next week I couldn't get served in the same cafe!

To me material things are irrelevant - its all about the attitude - basically a lack of awareness, empathy or respect for other people, and everything being all about them. I equate spoilt pretty much to being selfish and ill mannered.

Oh and I blame the parents completely for pandering to them - DD told this kid repeatedly (broken record player technique) "Please stop rocking my chair" - kid kept on doing it. DD eventually held her hand out like a traffic warden and said "X, STOP". So X claimed DD was nasty to her, despite three adults being present at same table. So parent, said "Don't worry X, come and rock my chair, if she won't let you". X says make her apologise to me. To avoid a stand up row about their inadequate parenting in a cafe, I told DD to say "I am sorry you are crying, but I kept asking you to stop rocking my chair and you chose not to listen to me. I don't want you to rock my chair." She repeated it verbatim, turned round to me and said - did I get it right Grin.

ohmygosh123 · 22/05/2012 09:33

Its quite funny copying a child's tantrum (as long as its in your own home!) - amazing how quickly they stop..........

echt · 22/05/2012 09:41

There's the usual confusion here, with "spoiled" meaning what the parents do, versus "spoiled" meaning how the child behaves.

The latter is the correct meaning. I know children who've had every material thing but are perfectly well-adjusted. I've seen others given everything and are horrendous brats. It's all about the parents' behaviour and values.

lou2321 · 22/05/2012 09:41

I don't believe having things such as Ipods, Ipads etc make young children spoilt at all. If parents can afford things and the children understand they are lovely things and must be well looked after then I can't see an issue with this.

Someone I knows DD is 14 and the most spoilt and arrogant child I have ever met. She gets all the expensive things bought for her but expects it and doesn't respect her stuff. She has got through 4 ipods through breaking or losing them and th emum just buys her another one each time, they will go shopping and she will always come back with something extravagent like a top of the range camera or something. She expects all this and turns her nose down at other people!

Her Dad and SM were talking about going on a cruise (a 5 on a luxurious liner) and she said she would only go with them if they went 1st class - firstly there isn't 1st class (just nicer suites/cabins, the rest is the same) and secondly who the f** does she think she is.

GnocchiNineDoors · 22/05/2012 09:43

I don't believe having things such as Ipods, Ipads etc make young children spoilt at all

Me neither, however, I think it spoils kids to get these for no reason. As birthday or christmas gifts, great, but such an amount of money spent sporadically, will (imo) spoil a child.

ohmygosh123 · 22/05/2012 09:45

Picobama - I completely agree - its all about the kids getting you to buy stuff because they want it. DD knows that she can look at stuff, but generally doesn't ask for stuff, unless told she can have something. Whining means the offer is retracted. She has had one tantrum for something - needless to say she didn't get it - and apparently it was a toy over which there were about 5 tantrums a day! But I was shocked that a friend said "I hope you didn't buy it for her" - it wouldn't have occurred to me to have bought it - anyway she said she knows loads of parents who would have done, just for a quiet life. I hauled her out of the shop in disgrace (she was 3) and has never done it since.

But I think you can spoil a child by giving them something new all the time, so that birthdays and Christmases aren't special. And if presents replace actual time or tangibly demonstrating love in a not spending money kind of way, then I don't think that does the child any favours either. Not sure that is really 'spoilt' though, as the child would probably feel fobbed off with stuff, and worry about whether his/her parents really loved him/her.

exoticfruits · 22/05/2012 09:50

I used to get mine used to not having things, we used to just go into toy shops to look around for fun-there was no expectation that anything would be bought.

lou2321 · 22/05/2012 09:52

Yes I agree getting things everytime they decide they want them is spoilt but if the parents can afford it there is no problem at xmas or birthdays.

I was mortified one xmas when DS1 was 3 or 4 - he opened a few presents and was really excited about them all (they were a few cheapish little stocking fillers), after he'd opened 4 or 5 he looked really cross and said - I have got nothing that was on my list!

I was so embarrassed in front of my family but they just laughed and said don't worry he's only little but I was really cross with him!

elizaregina · 22/05/2012 10:00

agree with most others, a child who clearly has not had " no" re inforced in a manner which he understands and responds too.

also I would add a spoilt child is one who suffers parents arguing, alot of pressure etc....

ohmygosh123 · 22/05/2012 10:00

Oh I told DD that Santa likes surprising people, and if she was greedy then he would have to choose for her. She came back from nursery and told me what someone else was asking for - so I nipped it in the bud pretty sharpish. So her list normally consists of 1 or 2 specific things, and "something pretty" or "a game to play with mummy". She doesn't want to take the risk of not getting the one thing she'd really like. And she is always so amazed that he really got it for her! Thankfully she's never asked for anything excessive, and she's always thrilled by anything.

lou2321 · 22/05/2012 10:05

Ooh that is a good way to put it re Santa list, although I did tell them that Santa usually just chooses one thing on the list and they are extremely lucky if they get anything else which seemed to work.

knowotumean · 22/05/2012 10:09

When I was little I acutely remember one of my friends telling me her mum thought I was spoilt. I took it massively to heart and now I am the most guilt ridden, do-gooding wet blanket, spineless adult :-)

bringbacksideburns · 22/05/2012 10:10

A child who doesn't realise how very lucky they are, takes everything for granted and appreciates very little?

Galena · 22/05/2012 10:12

I live in fear of DD (3) being spoiled. She is, by a number of years, the youngest grandchild/nephew/niece in the family, and on DH's side of the family, the only girl. Our family all live a distance away, so don't see her often, she was also born at 27 weeks and has Cerebral Palsy probably as a result.

Whenever anyone (OT, physio, etc) come to the house, they look at our living room and say 'Goodness me! You've got enough toys to start a nursery!' Thing is, yes, she does have a lot of toys, but she plays with them and enjoys them. We can't keep any in her room to play with because she can't go upstairs on her own so any toys up there wouldn't be played with. We do buy her a couple of magazines regularly - but each one keeps her occupied for an hour or so as she does the stickers and activities.

Yes, she has DVD player in the car. Yes, she has an Android tablet. However, we travel 1000 mile round trips to see her Grandad 2 or 3 times a year, as well as 3-400 mile round trips to see other relatives regularly, so they keep her occupied in the car.

She is an only child and I am a SAHM. We have to do 2-3 lots of physio each day so I try to make sure that we have positive one to one time too. This means she has my undivided attention much of the day. She won't be left at playgroup - will scream till she's sick. I don't want that for her or them. So we are building up time that I am out of the room. Sometimes she screams sometimes she doesn't. It's hard. Physio feels it's complete sensory overload while she's concentrating so hard on walking/moving and so just can't process all the noise. However, she knows that tantrums at other times don't succeed and she knows 'No'.

She's certainly indulged. Is she spoilt? I don't know. I hope not! :(

ohmygosh123 · 22/05/2012 10:16

misslinnet that is perfect! I love it!