To be infuriated with Keith Vaz on the grooming of girls by Asian men

[mumzy]

Just heard Keith Vaz on Today discussing this and being in total denial about the reality that in northern british cities and towns the street grooming of girls is disproportionatly done by Asian men and the majority of victims are white girls. His stance is it's the BNP making it out to be Asian men abusing white girls rather than accept the figues which show this crime is disproprtinately being committed by Asian men. Until those in positions ie police, social services, child protection stop being in denial this sort of thing will continue as these men will think no one will stop them.This has being going on for decades, I went to school in a northern city 20 years ago and knew of girls from chaotic backgrounds skipping classes to meet up with there much older and often married Asian boyfriends and often they'd be asked to bring a friend along for their mates. They'd be plied with alcohol and inevitably end up having sex some got pregnant. Is this a racist problem ? I think so and I speak as some one who is British but not white. There will always be people from every race who will think people of other races are inferior to them and will not flinch from abusing those who are not the same race as them. I also don't agree with the opinion of some such as Lee Jasper who say black people can't be racist I've had racist abuse during my lifetime from people who are white, black and other ethnicities. People like Keith Vaz who automatically blame the BNP do a lot of harm as it stops people discussing this publically in case they are seen as racist. This means in reality it doesn't get discussed rationally and openly so the abuse continues and the issue goes underground fuelling the support for extremist groups such as the BNP.

That the BNP are involved doesn't matter,

That the highest sentence for child rape is 19 years is fucking disgraceful.

These weren't young men the youngest was19 and oldest was 59!!! Guessing most married with kids so stop the crap about its young shy muslim men who can't pull.

When I lived up north, I used to drink in pubs around Bolton, which has a very high muslim population, and the pubs in one area were always full of muslim males (males, never women). As were the towns nightclubs. They were not drinking orange juice, and the coke they had was not of the liquid kind.

This was 20+ years ago, and even then there was a huge problem with gangs of asian men grooming young non-asian girls.

Aboutlastnight wrote
"I was very angry that Keith Vaz brought up the BNP, which, as John Humphreys (it was he, wasn't it?) seemed to be designed to stifle discussion. "

Absolutely agree. I think Vaz should resign. Fair and equal treatment for women must not be allowed to come second to the call of racism. We need to acknowledge both and get rid of both.

I thought that Bolton has mainly Indian/Hindu population as opposed to Preston/Rochdale which has large Muslim Pakistani populations. I know Bolton well and don't recognise that description squeakytoy.

I grew up in Bolton, and this was in the Deane Road/Halliwell area,

There are Muslims in Bolton but it isn't a large population compared to other towns. I was a teenager in Bolton at about the time you describe and I really don't agree with your description of the town. It is predominantly Hindu and doesn't, imo, have the same tensions evident in other places.

thebody I work as foster carer many parents who rape their OWN children don't get 19 years in jail

Their is a raceist element to this
Why is it we never talk about what it is with in the WHITE culture make middle men want have have sex with small children

After all the majority of young children who her sexually abused are abused by white middle aged men.

Also when all the catholic priests were fiddling the boys why was knowing asking why it's seems to be only the white priests that are fiddling the boys

Didn't see the the EDL out side the court of lady who filmed and abused those children in the nursery and debating then the deviant in the white culture that makes white people abuse kids

But when someone brown abuses a child it must be cause their brown not beause their just awful

As some one who works with looked after children this is what happens when parent fail to do their job children get picked up by drug users , abusers, and generally nasty people

This case shows the need for children to be removed very early on and not waiting till things hit crisis point in a family when a child is a teen hard to place and hard to fix

The bnp and edl have been talking about this for years. Mainstream parties didn't want to know. If the mainstream ignore something that everyone sees happening, how can you expect people to stick with mainstream politics? It drives people to the extremists

Totally agree except "this is what happens when parent fail to do their job"

Not always mrB

Not always

'a teen, hard to place and hard to fix' must be one of the most depressing sentences I've ever read, and I know you're right Mrbo

Mrbojangles1.
Are you saying it was rascist that these men were brought to justice

And given you work in this field you'll be able to distinguish between one person acting alone and a large group of men working together to systematically groom and rape very large numbers of children over very many years.

"... Just deal with the crime in accordance with the law of the land and stop wasting time worrying about the reasons for it. ..."

You will be surprised to know that most criminal investigations begin with looking for a motive.

In fact, almost any research into any subject involves some degree of finding " the reasons for it "

Incidentally, the waste of space known as Keith Vaz is usually good for a long, loud burst of hot air on almost any subject.

thebestisyettocome no what I am saying is why dose it matter that they are Asian my god all that matters is

A- they go to jail
B- the poor girls get help

Their colour is imaterial

It seems people only want to debate why it is that certain racese abuse children when the certain people are not white

When the lady who abused those poor children in the nusries no one was talking about her race just her despicable crime and rightly so.

KatieScarlett

if a parent is to hoped up on drugs
Or is to concerned with her latest boyfriend
They provide little to no boundires for their child
Live in a state or perpetual chasos

It's only a matter of time before that child fall victim to the wrong crowd

This is why you currently have hords of boys in London involved in gangs their fathers are either I in jail or no were to be seen

I pray these girls can heal

I imagine if 'the lady who abused those poor children' only abused children who were not white, that would change the shape of the crime and how we understood it though.

My child fell victim to the wrong crowd MrB

None of the above applies/applied.

As I said, not always.

MrBo I think you should read some of Katie's earlier posts as her DD has been in a similar situation through no fault of her parents. In fact, I think you should get your last post deleted.

Very sorry KATE I was referring to the fact all these girls were in care

Again very sorry

MrB. I don't think anybody disagrees that the most important point is that the girls get justice. Having said that, to use an awful phrase, lessons must be learned. It is a race/religious issue because these men targeted non-Muslim girls.

Am I naive in thinking this isn't racism, just opportunism?

That it's young white girls that hang around outside kebab shops and Asian men that work inside them and that's why this appears to be an Asian on white crime.

Wilson very right a bigg grovel in order