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To be infuriated with Keith Vaz on the grooming of girls by Asian men

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mumzy · 09/05/2012 09:47

Just heard Keith Vaz on Today discussing this and being in total denial about the reality that in northern british cities and towns the street grooming of girls is disproportionatly done by Asian men and the majority of victims are white girls. His stance is it's the BNP making it out to be Asian men abusing white girls rather than accept the figues which show this crime is disproprtinately being committed by Asian men. Until those in positions ie police, social services, child protection stop being in denial this sort of thing will continue as these men will think no one will stop them.This has being going on for decades, I went to school in a northern city 20 years ago and knew of girls from chaotic backgrounds skipping classes to meet up with there much older and often married Asian boyfriends and often they'd be asked to bring a friend along for their mates. They'd be plied with alcohol and inevitably end up having sex some got pregnant. Is this a racist problem ? I think so and I speak as some one who is British but not white. There will always be people from every race who will think people of other races are inferior to them and will not flinch from abusing those who are not the same race as them. I also don't agree with the opinion of some such as Lee Jasper who say black people can't be racist I've had racist abuse during my lifetime from people who are white, black and other ethnicities. People like Keith Vaz who automatically blame the BNP do a lot of harm as it stops people discussing this publically in case they are seen as racist. This means in reality it doesn't get discussed rationally and openly so the abuse continues and the issue goes underground fuelling the support for extremist groups such as the BNP.

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exexe · 10/05/2012 14:29

LittleWhiteMice thats awful. How sad.

I agree that obviously this has nothing to do with Islam. These people are hardly religious. They lack basic decent morals let alone anything else.

I can't even imagine how these situations come about. How do you get together with your friends/brothers and suggest you all start taking advantage of young girls? Its just sick and not normal.

LittleWhiteMice · 10/05/2012 14:30

no and no. I dont want to. and please stop calling it that.

I probably shouldnt have written what I did (was doing so well not needing to name change). Cant quite convey how it feels to be used that way, it affects every part of your life. and can you imagine having your father know you were used in that way? the shame, the way he would look at you?

urgh, youd wish your life was over.

Lottapianos · 10/05/2012 14:32

'and please stop calling it that'

I don't know if that was directed at me but if it was, I'm sorry if I made you feel uncomfortable Sad

WilsonFrickett · 10/05/2012 14:34

Littlewhitemice can you get some RL help, or start a post somewhere else where people will be able to support you - relationships or feminism would be good places. I don't want your post to be missed as this debate continues on this thread. There are people who will support you on here if you need it, or can point you in the direction of RL support, but the middle of an AIBU thread means people might simply not 'see' your post. We're here for you.

LittleWhiteMice · 10/05/2012 14:34

no, its just me sorry. you meant nothing by it i know :)

LittleWhiteMice · 10/05/2012 14:36

Thank you, I dont want to go through it again though, and I cant have family/friends think of me as so weak that it would still affect me (they dont know).

WilsonFrickett · 10/05/2012 14:37

OK. If you EVER change your mind PM me, ok? Promise? (not that I'm some amazing help but I will hold your hand)

WilsonFrickett · 10/05/2012 14:38

And you don't sound weak to me, by the way. Not one little bit.

LittleWhiteMice · 10/05/2012 14:40

but isnt it a bit wow/woah however ever you spell wo. isnt a bit wo is me? it was years ago, whats the point in dragging it up. I know how it is to look at myself, i cannot handle my own family seeing me that way.

Its of no use now.

Methe · 10/05/2012 14:41

You would have to be superhuman for that to not affect you forever but talking about it and dealing with it makes you strong, not weak.

WilsonFrickett · 10/05/2012 14:48

Some of them might see you differently, that's true. Others will just see you, as you've always been and want to help you. And you can get counselling, for example, without your family knowing, which can help you decide if and when you want to tell others.

helpyourself · 10/05/2012 19:17

LWM if i knew you would not think you were weak. No one would. I know you're going to nc and that you're probably feeling really shaky and scared now, but please find someone to talk to. You deserve it for you now and little you.

helpyourself · 10/05/2012 19:18

wilson anyone who judges someone for what happened like this is a cunt who really doesn't deserve a second chance.

WilsonFrickett · 10/05/2012 20:05

I agree help but it's not really about what I think is it, it's about what LWM feels.

WilsonFrickett · 10/05/2012 20:06

Gah, posted too soon, by which I mean I don't want to minimise her concerns by saying 'they won't' or 'they don't matter' I more wanted to emphasise that she was in control of who she tells, when, and indeed if at all.

helpyourself · 10/05/2012 20:30

Sorry. Just wanted lwm to know that she's not the guilty party.

WilsonFrickett · 10/05/2012 23:48

I know x

velorbi · 04/09/2016 19:41

Any news of Keith Vaz?

StillStayingClassySanDiego · 04/09/2016 20:04

He's a lying,loathsome ,hypocrite.

I know this is a zombie thread but what an arse he is.

EttaJ · 04/09/2016 20:09

Agreed SanDiego what an absolute POS he is.

phoenix1973 · 04/09/2016 20:14

I've met families of white girls affected by this. They are frustrated at the utter arrogance and denial of the truth that most people know.
In 2009 I met a man whilst on holiday in south England. He was northern and told me a lot about what was going on up there. He told me the police and local MPs said it was too controversial and racially sensitive to make it public!
The perpetrators must be named as such, and should not get some sort of race immunity. Their crimes are disgusting and highlight the utter lack of respect for women which is prevalent within that culture. The fact that they consider it ok to treat white women in this way is vile.

Blueshoessingloose · 04/09/2016 20:33

If the races were reversed there would be outrage but non white on white crime is always covered up, minimised and ignored to serve a political agenda.

TheDevilMadeMeDoIt · 04/09/2016 21:58

Is it coincidence that this thread has revived on the day that this story appears in the papers?

acasualobserver · 04/09/2016 22:19

I don't much like tabloid sex traps but in his case I'm prepared to turn a blind eye. Vaz is a posturing, self-regarding, self-serving, moralising, pompous, grandstanding anus and I sincerely hope this scandal spells the end of his political career.

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