AIBU to really hate the term "birth rape"

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It's from this story where a woman is allegedly put under a GA under her will and given an emergency C section. All very unpleasant (although it does throw up the question as to how much we really expect to control a process which at a basic level is still capable of killing us and our babies) but commentators are starting to term it 'birth rape'. As a rape survivor and someone who has supported rape victims as part of my job I am so sick of this term being overused and devalued! (This goes double for the moronic "draping" on FaceBook).

Do you think a string/group of healthcare professionals would lie to her and trick her as described???

Not just one, but a whole team conspired to operate without consent???? Really really improbable IMO

I've been raped, and I don't feel like what happened to me is trivialised by having the word rape applied (appropriately) to a woman who was violated in this way by medical staff.

The way some women are scapegoating and vilifying the victim of this horrific crime makes me think the word rape is more appropriate than I originally thought.

It seems that by changing doctor and seeking to minimise medical intervention she was "asking for" doctors to assault her

"there was a beneficial outcome"

Says who? That baby may have been born perfectly healthy if she'd have delivered herself.

I've been raped, and I don't feel like what happened to me is trivialised by having the word rape applied (appropriately) to a woman who was violated in this way by medical staff.

The way some women are scapegoating and vilifying the victim of this horrific crime makes me think the word rape is more appropriate than I originally thought.

It seems that by changing doctor and seeking to minimise medical intervention she was "asking for" doctors to assault her

I also have a hard time believing that a group of men could sexually abuse a young girl, because it's horrifying, not because it is unlikely.

bejeezus they probably al thought she had consented, if they were told to operate. after all, it would be normal wouldn't it?

Because I don't believe a team of surgeon doctors and now natal professional would of done a c section under GA unless either the mum or baby was in grave danger

Progessionity/ethics/morality/procedure more likely to kick in for members of a medical team in a hospital, than for a bunch of rapists don't you think delia

"The way some women are scapegoating and vilifying the victim of this horrific crime makes me think the word rape is more appropriate than I originally thought"

exactly. we have had 'she should be grateful'
'why didn't her Dh do something'
'why did so many stand by and let it happen'
'obviously she is just attention-seeking'
'she was off her head on drugs and didn't know what was going on'

Very very similar.

The story might not be true.

But what is scary is that there are people for whom it would be acceptable if it happened as described.

IF this woman's account is accurate, then a terrible thing was done to her.

bejeezus Not all medical assaults have benefits either. In the two worst occasions that happened to me, one almost caused me to miscarry and the other almost killed me. All HCP I've spoken to afterwards agree that they were of no benefit to their actions and were actually incredibly risky, but the people there at the time felt it was needed for some reason.

And in both cases there was more than one medical professional in the room (in the first case, I was being held down by two of them just after my DH was asked to leave the room).

I haves been raped and I do object to the term 'birth rape'. I do think it trivialises rape and think it is deplorable to use it in this way

I think assault is more appropriate.
I am also pretty a the amount of assumptions being made about this woman.

I also doubt that even in Afghanistan a women would be perfectly happy to be operated on without consent. How patronizing.

Why did she have the CS? It sounds as if the medics had it in mind from pretty early on.

As for her only being in for the compo WTF? Have you thought that the CS was performed to prevent any possible chance of the mother claiming damages? JUST IN CASE?

mchappy there have been women posting on MN who have had C/s called for very thin reasons (usually overseas) and no-one on the team ever goes against the call.

to be fair, you want the team to operate, not check over those things which should definitely have been done already, in the time it takes to assemble & scrub. I expect GA is used to different extents in different hospitals too.

I only saw this term the other day a facebook friend put it on her page i was what a disgusting term , some people need to look past their naturalchildbirth ways and be bloody grateful their baby is alive and well , I actually Pms the friend and told her not to be so bloody silly how could she support such a term ,

edles they wouldn't be doing for kicks though would they? Or for the power trip?

yes, i expect the people on this thread think that 80% of women having 'emergency life saving' C/S and 'necessary' sterilisation in Uzbeckistan should be grateful too...

edles they wouldn't be doing for kicks though would they? Or for the power trip?

i would believe this of a tiny minority of practitioners.

the sad case i read on MN, it definitely just sounded like the OB wanted to go off-shift rather than anything more sinister.

"Progessionity/ethics/morality/procedure more likely to kick in for members of a medical team in a hospital, than for a bunch of rapists don't you think"

Have you seen my link about the medical students? Obviously not...

Natural child birth ways?
WTF does that mean?

Not wanting to have a CS without it being explained to you, not wanting to be rushed into surgery without informed consent - doesnt make you a fucking hippy.

Some people need to look past their over emotive, factless scaremongering and admit that childbirth in some countries is influenced unduly by the need to avoid litigation.

One short peice of writing by a mother describing appalling treatment at the hands of medics and she has been called selfish and accused of not caring if she has a stillbirth.

My husband is African. I know lots of women who have had horrific birth experiences, days of agony, dead babies and life threatening infections, because of the lack of medical care available to them. This really colours my opinion of 'medical invervention' in labour that we are privileged to have in the UK

I don't have much patience for all this extreme natural birth shit

Stepping away from the thread

Don't believe the women's account anyway

This sounds like serious assault to me.

I hate to think what some of you would say about me ignoring consultants advice and having my first child at home aged 40!

Surely it becomes a question of motivation. Rape is done to gain sexual gratification from women. Emergency surgery and/or other interventions in childbirth are done to save lives. Yes, maybe some sick individuals do go into midwifery and/or obstetrics to gain a sexual thrill out of seeing women in pain and may even seek to inflict pain for that very purpose... but that does not automatically make every EMCS a potential assault.

They've opened themselves up for litigation though, if this is to be believed. I don't think they would do it

What is extreme about wanting to give informed consent?

Extreme is wanting to give birth hanging from a tree singing Kumby ya.