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To be unsurprised that so many women get post natal depression?

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toptramp · 27/03/2012 22:54

My late mum had post natal depression after a horrendous birth during which she almost died. Couple that with the shock of becoming a new mum and the general lack of staus that society offers mums (especially single mums like me) and I am not surprised that so many of us get so down. It is a wonderful time but it also so tough. What can be done about it?
My birth wasn't great (I had a c-section)and I did it without a dp yet I didn't get pnd like my mum did. I did get the shock of my life mixed with a lot of love!

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charitygirl · 28/03/2012 12:55

Oh I think it's good they let Trois's post stand. She is one of the payers turning MN into a humourless twat zone, and the humourless twats need to identifiable by their posts!

HeartsTrumpDiamonds · 28/03/2012 12:56

I am now the very proud owner of my very first, bona-fide Message deleted by Mumsnet

Don't know why though, I don't think I swore or made a "personal" attack.

Anyhoo.

I am loving this thread regardless. It's really the first time I have "come out" about my struggles to anyone other than DH, close family and 1 or 2 close friends. It is definitely a sign of the stigma attached that I don't want my wider circle (work, other school mums, acquaintances, DH's colleagues, etc) to know about it. I wish oh how I wish I was strong enough like another poster up there to talk about it to help de-stigmatise it all. I wonder if I will ever find that strength.

Problem is - after all that PND malarkey with both DD's I was also diagnosed with bi-polar disorder and sectioned and everything, and I think there is actually more stigma and misunderstanding associated with that than PND. I don't think I would mind the world knowing about my PND but I don't want them to know about the bi-polar if that makes sense.

charitygirl · 28/03/2012 12:56

Payers? Posters!

EnglishEponine · 28/03/2012 12:58

Sorry if this has been said before, I haven't read the whole thread, but for anyone who's suffering or just interested I really recommend reading Depressive Illness - the curse of the strong by Dr Tim Cantopher. It's not about PND specifically, just depression in general, but it was a godsend in helping me understand my own depression.
The overwhelming message throughout the book is that if you get depression, you are NOT weak - you are STRONG. You have coped with too much for too long and your body can't take the strain so something has to give - the limbic system, which controls mood. Depression doesn't happen to weak people, because weak people run away from the problems before they get too much to cope with.
Sorry if I'm not articulating very well, just go read the book it's brilliant!

HeartsTrumpDiamonds · 28/03/2012 12:58

Ooh another Hearts !

Actually you sum up a lot of how I felt too - not good enough. Never good enough and I never would be, and it was so much effort just to try

HeartsJandJ · 28/03/2012 13:12

Ahoy there Hearts!

Do you feel you have actually got over that now? I am nearly 4 years in but if I feel I've made a "mistake" in my parenting then I can start to have those feelings again, I've just learned how to manage them in a more healthy way.

EMS23 · 28/03/2012 13:24

MagsAloof - I agree with you, I am a stronger and better person for having had PND.

Jnice · 28/03/2012 13:30

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LovesBeingWearingSkinnyJeans · 28/03/2012 13:32
hathorinareddress · 28/03/2012 13:36

I had PND after DD1. Or at least I think I did. But I was too ashamed and scared to tell anyone.

So I just cried. Wished I was dead. Wished my kids could have a better mother than the one they had.

And outwardly got on with life.

And eventually it got better.

Had DD2 and was fine.

And I have no idea why I've just posted this on this thread when I've never told anyone in RL except to say trois you have displayed one of the most ignorant, ill-informed and breathtakingly uncaring posts I have ever seen in all my years on MN.

valiumredhead · 28/03/2012 13:37

I'm not stronger for having PND, but I'm not weaker either. It just changed my whole outlook on life.

LeQueen · 28/03/2012 13:42

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hobnobsaremyfavourite · 28/03/2012 13:48

I have very little recollection of DS1's first 6 months. The only word I associate with that time is dark, it was winter and everything about life was dark. I had a hideous birth experience and a difficult baby. It took me years to stop grieving for the precious months I had missed.
Vile attitudes like trois' made me keep this secret for years.

LeQueen · 28/03/2012 13:50

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notaniphoneownerjustabadtypist · 28/03/2012 13:52

OP I agree with you completely. Thanks for posting this thread! It makes me feel better about myself.

I had PND for at least 2 years (i think) because having a baby was the biggest change in my whole life. I had never been depressed before. It catches some people unawares. And having had it makes you more empathetic to other new mums, I think.

LeQueen - I could have written your post, it is so true!

hobnobsaremyfavourite · 28/03/2012 13:54

Even now when I see first time mums enjoying their first babies I feel such an ache for those missed months. DS1 is 14 now. When he was 1 he had to have major surgery and I remember sobbing to DH that DS would die and it was my fault because I didn't love him Sad. When DS2 was born 4 years later, despite an extremely difficult pregnancy I had no PND at all , no idea what was different. I had PND mildly on DS3 and DD bet never as badly as on DC1.
Lequeen I agree it is evil and cruel Angry

MissVerinder · 28/03/2012 13:54

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5madthings · 28/03/2012 14:09

"I feel that PND stole the first year with DD1, I can barely remember it. When I look back at myself then, I simply don't recognise myself, at all. It is an evil, evil illness "

change dd1 to ds4 and that is exactly me, i was fine when i had my first three children and then after ds4 got pnd/pnd and it was the worst time of my life, i cant remember the first year of his life and i spent so much time feeling so incredibly guilty for that, thankfully i had an amazing cpn and after a week in a psych unit and his support for over 2yrs, at varying levels, i gradually got well.

when i look back there were triggers, a very quick birth, less than an hour and then as a newborn ds4 had breathing problems and so we had to stay in hospital, the midwife dashed of to get the paed in the middle of the night as his breathing worsened. he was fine it was jsut that as he had been born so quickly all the gunk hadnt been squeezed out of his lungs and so he was struggling a bit, his size 10lb 13oz actually helped him as he was a bit stronger than the average newborn and tho struggling he was ok. but from that moment on i was scared, too scared to sleep, i lay at night and watched him breathe and once you dont sleep, well your mh goes to pot.

it also turned out i had a hormonal imbalance (they rushed me in for an emergency mri scan as they thought i may have a tumour on my pituitary gland) i didnt have at tumour and they could never explain the hormone imbalance, it was just put down as one of those things and regular blood tests showed it was naturally righting itself, along with medication to help.

i was not any weaker or stronger when i had my 4th child, there was no reason for me to get ill and i KNEW within weeks i wasnt well, yet repeated trips to the gp and hv were met with 'its your fourth child you know what you are doing' when i broke down and having hallucinations tried to smother my baby and wanted to kill myself, my dp marched me to the drs and said ENOUGH she needs help. then i was admitted to hospital, i cant remember the week i spent in hospital and afterwards when i came out dp was off work and we had support from the mh team and ss until i gradually got well.

despite this my children, were well fed adn well looked after and happy, i however was an empty shell, i was simply functioning with no emotions, no connection to my children, despite loving them to death, i just couldnt feel anything other than empty and dark and a huge desperation to go to sleep and never wake up again.

it truly was an awful experience that i NEVER want to repeat and would never wish on my worst enemy and i am hugely grateful that with the support of my dp and the mh team i got well and then was able to have baby no 5 and thankfully careful monitering meant that if i did get ill it would be caught early, as it was i was fine 5th time round, no rhyme or reason to pnd at all, it happens to anyone. its not a matter or beng weak or getting on with it, i still GOT ON with everything even in the depths of hell i just didnt function on other levels and it was an awful place to be.

5madthings · 28/03/2012 14:10

that should say pnp/pnd

Scheherezade · 28/03/2012 14:12

I don't really know what to say, I'm currently in a mother & baby psychiatric ward struggling with pnd. Reading people's experiences and knowing I'm not the only one is really helpful.

MissVerinder · 28/03/2012 14:14

Scheherezade (((hug)))

5madthings · 28/03/2012 14:16

scheherezade massive (((hugs)) you will get well again, be kind to yourself and do chat on here xxxx

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5madthings · 28/03/2012 14:19

what hobsnobs just said, this thread has made me cry :( pnd is an awful awful thing that robs of what should be a joyful time :( but anyone suffering, i just want to say you can and you will get well again, ignore the idiots and focus on being kind to yourself. xxx

aquashiv · 28/03/2012 14:19

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