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AIBU?

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to tell an elderly gent to f*ck off

646 replies

Helenfellows33 · 19/03/2012 08:45

i was on a family day out on a steam train and on the way home an infirm old man got on with his carer. she left shortly after and he was on his own in his wheelchair with me and my dh and dc's. this journey was about an hour long and ds being cranky started to cry. and the old man turned to him and shouted at him to be quiet boy. at this i told him to shut the fuck up and a list of words i cant mention here. dh backed me up although i was telling a friend later she said he was ok too this as he was old, we are now not speaking cause of this. AIBU for doing that to an elderly person.

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GrimmaTheNome · 19/03/2012 17:49

Maybe she called him an antidisestablishmentarianist. That's pretty unmentionable on MN; reason being it's hard to spell.

I've used that repeatedly on several different threads. Its often relevant.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 19/03/2012 17:51

Unfortunately we can't get to 1000 posts, with 999 of them telling the OP that she was unreasonable, because she has posted several times on this thread, in order to carry on justifying her behaviour. We might get to around 975, or so. [pedant]Blush

Stratters · 19/03/2012 18:02

There was one post that was on the OPs side. It was so similar bizarre I looked em up. Grin

everlong · 19/03/2012 18:06

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TheBigJessie · 19/03/2012 18:19

Public transport is sometimes interesting. I just want to counterbalance all those who fear they will suffer the OP's company. Wink

I once sat next to a retired soldier, with medals pinned on his chest, who told me the secret to British military success- don't let allied America military units fight alongside on the same battlefield, because the US rate of friendly fire was terrible.

I think he said he wasn't sure whether it was due to defective equipment, or carelessness (in dark tones).

I was a teenager at the time, so you know what, I sat quietly and listened to the elderly retired war hero, occasionally saying things like, "that's terrible".

ComposHat · 19/03/2012 18:25

YABU - firstly for not controlling your kids properly and secondly for being unspeakably rude to an old man.

warthog · 19/03/2012 18:29

yabu

and i judge you on your crap spelling and bad grammar. and your swearing. and in front of a child. and to a vulnerable person (young or old - doesn't matter).

the fact that you can't see it is doubly disturbing.

amothersplaceisinthewrong · 19/03/2012 18:29

YABVU - no need to speak to ANYONE like that, irrespective of age. What an example you set to your son.

JustHecate · 19/03/2012 18:35

What did he say when you told him to fuck off?

fwiw, I think he was unspeakably rude and I don't think age is a get out of jail free card. I don't think that just because someone is old, bad behaviour should be tolerated.

However, I think that you lost the moral highground by reacting like that. It would have been far better to, for example, fix him with an icy stare and say "I will thank you to not speak to my child like that, it is unacceptable." or something like that.

You posted in AIBU to ask if you were being unreasonable to tell an elderly gent to fuck off.

You asked the question, these are the answers.

TheBigJessie · 19/03/2012 18:37

In view of the post from my fellow MNer, regarding disestablishmentarianists, I revise my opinion.

It must have been some words with accents, or umlauts. Perhaps a Schafers S/etset (sp)? Cyrillic alphabet?

NoOnesGoingToEatYourEyes · 19/03/2012 18:42

My parents run a pub and we called in briefly to see them last week. DS (almost three) was walking about saying hello to people he recognised. Not running, not making a noise, just walking around quietly looking for people he knows and saying hello to them. One of the regulars had a visitor with him who overheard me saying to my Mum that DS was tired and would need to go to bed early that night (I was due to work, she was babysitting).

"Oh," he said. "That explains why he's behaving so badly. It's obviously okay to bring children into licensed premises and let them be naughty just as long as they are tired. It's against the law you know! Shouldn't even be in here."

I realise now that I should have said "Shut up and fuck off you old git" but sadly I didn't realise that and instead of a foul mouthed rant I did this Hmm

I will admit though, I was thinking "stupid arse" as I Hmm at him.

I will give you one thing OP. If someone bigger than you shouts at you without warning it can feel threatening, and a toddler probably wouldn't realise that an elderly man in a wheelchair was not a threat to him.

But you still should be able to realise that, and you no doubt made the elderly, disabled man feel threatened in exactly the same way you are complaining about. Worse in fact, because you had your husband to back you up and because you were swearing and because he was trapped without his carer and had nobody to look after him.

DH's Grandmother was diagnosed with Alzheimer's just a few weeks before she died, but after the diagnosis it became very clear that she had been suffering from it for a long time. She started to say odd, random things for no reason (such as "I don't know why X got so fat, she used to be very slim" when we were not talking about X or her weight and X was nowhere in sight or calling her daughter "that woman" rather than by her name) She also worried sometimes and would tell us "I don't know why I said that, I meant to say this instead but it came out wrong."

That could have happened here. The old man could have intended to say "No need to cry" and had it come out as "shut up boy." Or he could have meant exactly what he said, IDK. But either way, you reacted badly and you were in the wrong to say what you did to a vulnerable, elderly man when you could have dealt with things much differently and still made your point.

gettingeasier · 19/03/2012 18:46

YABU for all the reasons given but I am unable to work out why you began this thread as you have stamped your little foot at the responses you have received and refused to accept responsibility for your mistake.

WetAugust · 19/03/2012 18:48

YABVU Fishwife - (with apologies to peaceable wives of fishermen)

Stratters · 19/03/2012 18:53

Very new ever, and only posts on the same similar threads. Wink

Smellslikecatspee · 19/03/2012 19:00

Unreal?

He said be quiet, really that was it?
Your head would have exploded if you heard what was said to me this evening.

And as awful as it was I dealt with it without swearing.

pipsqueak · 19/03/2012 19:01

horrible chavtastic behaviour OP

Rhinosaurus · 19/03/2012 19:02

i told him to shut the fuck up and a list of words I can't mention on here

But presumably ok to use them in an aggressive manner towards a vulnerable person in front of your children?

No wonder there are so many feral selfish young people emerging, with massive senses of entitlement if scummy mummies like you consider this appropriate parenting!

Coconutty · 19/03/2012 19:03

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diabolo · 19/03/2012 19:08

I've come late to this one, but what an awful person you sound OP.

YABVU. And nasty. And mean. And well... trashy! I think that sums it up.

MarianneM · 19/03/2012 19:10

Is this for real?

An old man shouted (did he actually shout?) "be quiet boy" at your child and you swore at him??!!!

Yous sound like a nightmare.

helenthemadex · 19/03/2012 19:46

being old does not give anyone the excuse to be rude, but you sound like an obnoxious bully, you reaction was a complete over reaction and totally unjustified

jamdonut · 19/03/2012 20:14

Right. I've just ploughed through all 24 pages.
And I agree with most of the posters that you were VERY unreasonable.
You took no account that this old person,in a wheelchair, may have found the noise your child was making was intolerable. Yes it was rude. But it sounds to me like he was in pain or had dementia, and was not being horrible for horrible's sake. You were very quick to take offence. I would have just ignored the comment, unless he carried on, but no way would I speak to him the way you did. And not with my children present. When the carer returned ,why did you not say something, along the lines of "My child seems to be upsetting your father...he was very rude to him". And as for "No-one speaks to my family like that"....well, on this occasion someone did, and you just made it worse by making a mountain out of a molehill.

dollymixtures · 19/03/2012 20:29

"NO one talks to me or my family like that."

Carry on with your attitude love and you'd better start getting used to it.

What is it with MN at the moment????

Petrean · 19/03/2012 20:31

Wow... I posted on this thread on my way in to work and I get back from work and it's at 599 posts and the OP still doesn't think she's behaved badly.

TandB · 19/03/2012 20:32

Jamdonut - that is a good point. What is the point of saying "no-one speaks to me like that" when someone demonstrably just did?

Going ballistic doesn't mean the remark wasn't made - it just means that you escalate the situation and make it more likely that the other person will make other comments you don't like.

"Please don't speak to me like that" - now I can see the point of that.