AIBU to stop buyng The Independant because of this ad?

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The one from Fathers4Justice, where they accuse MN of:

"carrying abusive and distressing anti-male content which promotes gender hatred against men and boys"
and, apparently, labels "men and boys as rapist, peados and wife beaters."

The ad has a lovely picture of a sad little boy with words like "rioter" and "homeless" and "sperm bank" written on his skin.

I am confused, as I have never come across a thread on here where people routinely call men paedophiles and rapists. In fact, usually, if someone implies that a man being left alone with a child is dodgy, posters will pile in and say "God, don't you know not all men are paedos.?"

As I understand it, this is a forum for discussion, not a political movement with a manifesto. There are many and varied opinions on MN, and the minute one opinion is aired, another will be along to refute it.

Or should I just laugh at F4J? The ad is quite gruesomely funny.

Come come, SQ, men are being terribly harmed by institutional misandry.

For example, they unfairly no longer have the right to exercise their conjugal rights because the feminazis have managed to persuade the government that even if a woman is married to a man, she has the right not to be raped.

And sometimes, they are actually would you believe it, arrested, if they beat up their wives or children?

In one famous dreadful miscarriage of justice, a MRA was removed from his own home, because all he did was punch his pre-school child on the nose and make it bleed.

Read all about it

I mean, what an attack on men's rights eh?

And also, women are now allowed to get a divorce if her marriage has not been as good for her as it has been for her husband and he's not able to stop her.

That's what MRA's really mean when they talk about misandry - the fact that they are no longer legally allowed to unleash their violence on the women and children they live with in their own homes and that they don't have complete control of women once they marry them. They see the idea that they should have to treat the women and children they live with, as real human beings just like them, as an attack on their humanity.

What is your solution to the problems caused to society by encouraging hyper-masculinity then?

What do you think radical feminists have to say on the matter, and why do you think they are wrong?

Radical feminism is surely needed to counteract radical misogyny though

Women wouldn't have won the vote when they did if it wasn't for 'radical feminism'

Ok. Here are some RadFem quotes:

'Women need to stop raising male children, nobody wants to bite that bullet except lesbian seperatists but it must be done.'

'The not raising male children one is difficult for me, as i have one, I mean, we need female children and so im glad i have a daughter, she was my first, perhaps i should have stopped at one.'

'More importantly i think women need to stop giving birth to any more males. I'm so glad that you and others are open to considering a biology based analysis of what is wrong with men.'

'Even if we killed off 90% of the men the majority of women left over would do their best to keep the oppressive system. I dare say we'd have to kill off
all the women too and leave the little girls and radfems to create the utopia.'

So yes, it's quite clear to me how Radical Feminism has the answer.

And this is being implemented, is it?
Women in large numbers have started aborting male foetuses, and abandoning male children?

Do you believe that all radical feminists agree with those statements?

Or do you think that that is a small group of women sharing some (rather extreme) ideas - which are just ideas - and don't actually seriously intend to murder 90% of the entire population of the earth? And that if someone offered them that as a wish, that they would (I'm guessing) decline it?

You said Radical Feminism had the answers. Those are Radical Feminist views.

"It's difficult to estimate, that's true, due to the secretive nature of the forum"

Radfemhub isn't a secretive forum, it's a public collective blog.

But those views aren't representative of radical feminism. Or radical analysis, values, tenets, written works or well, anything really.

So I wouldn't get too hung up on them if I were you.

You really think that any political movement can be entirely defined by the views (or even just thought experiments) of 2 or 3 of its more extreme members?

On that basis is it reasonable to say that all men who are involved with fathers rights groups, want to see all women who disagree with them shot?

I don't think that is a reasonable conclusion at all.

For someone with such a keen eye for facts / statistics / opinions, I am surprised that you take a sample of, what, 3 people, and are happy to extrapolate it across a movement consisting of many more people.

2 or 3? There were far more than that. Thought experiments? Interesting take. When you were complining about someone posting about a woman being shot, did you consider that a thought experiment? Or did you rightly denounce it as disgusting and threatening?

Who does represent radical feminism then? You? them? someone else?

That's like asking which individual represents the green movement, or right wing philosophy. It's a ridiculous question.

And ditto if you can't see the difference between a person saying directly to another that they should be shot, and what those women were talking about on that website.

Do you seriously believe that those women are working to wipe out 90% of the population? And if they are - how is that even misandry - given that they are going to kill all the adults, men and women.

You have heard of thought experiments, yes?

Or do you think those women talking there really meant that that is what they want to do? Kill everyone in the whole world? (Have they been watching Blackadder!) .

So if I walk up to a person on the street and say, I am going to shoot you

That is the same

As me sitting in the pub with some mates and musing, wouldn't it be great if all the horrible people in this town dropped dead overnight

According to you.

It's interesting what gets Sigmund going.

That list of real things that happen to real women and girls in the real world up there, dismissed as opinion and conjecture.

A couple of rad fems on a blog looking for solutions against the massive epidemic of male violence towards and oppression of women, now that's serious.

Do you seriously believe that all women who disagree with fathers rights groups are going to be shot?

The last quote is not solely misandrist, but the first 3 are.

The thing is Sardine, if someone identifies with a group, then they can't complain when people associate them with the extreme end of it.

Women saying things is equal in magnitude to men raping, assaulting, killing and exterminating women and girls.

It is interesting, isn't it nyac.

Radfemhub looks in depth at male harm to women and girls. There is a war against us.

Generally in wars if people are being attacked they get to fight back. Not women though. We can't even think about it.

You have no idea what gets me going Nyac. I did not dismiss what what happens to real women and girls. As you know, I simply had an issue with statistics.

'A couple of rad fems on a blog looking for solutions against the massive epidemic of male violence towards and oppression of women'.

Interesting comment. They're looking for solutions, well that's ok then. And it's not a couple, you know that. What in your view is the solution?

There is no war against me Nyac.

I believe that some members of fathers rights groups would shoot women who disagreed with them, if they had the chance.

That has happened, for a start. Men have exterminated women who they identified as feminist, for example.

It is not the case that any radical feminists have attempted to wipe out the entire human race.

It is not the case that feminists are murdering male children.

I mean all of this....

You can't believe the things you are writing, surely?

this, for example

Who are radical feminists killing?

Radical feminists have been violent, Sardine. Off the top of my head, Erin Pizzy, founder of Refuge had to leave the country due to death threats from RadFems.

I can find loads of other instances. There is a guy, can't remember his name, he is an expert in the field of domestic violence, he said that DV was as prevalent among men as it is women, he has has bomb and death threats from RadFems.

Valerie Solanas, of course, shot Andy Warhol.