AIBU to stop buyng The Independant because of this ad?

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The one from Fathers4Justice, where they accuse MN of:

"carrying abusive and distressing anti-male content which promotes gender hatred against men and boys"
and, apparently, labels "men and boys as rapist, peados and wife beaters."

The ad has a lovely picture of a sad little boy with words like "rioter" and "homeless" and "sperm bank" written on his skin.

I am confused, as I have never come across a thread on here where people routinely call men paedophiles and rapists. In fact, usually, if someone implies that a man being left alone with a child is dodgy, posters will pile in and say "God, don't you know not all men are paedos.?"

As I understand it, this is a forum for discussion, not a political movement with a manifesto. There are many and varied opinions on MN, and the minute one opinion is aired, another will be along to refute it.

Or should I just laugh at F4J? The ad is quite gruesomely funny.

I notice from the FB page for F4J that some of them have nobly 'sacrificed' their time with their children today in order to willy wave protest.

You said that appalling harm happened to men because of misandry. Please can you tell us where it's happening Sigmunde and what the harm is.

"AFAIK, there is no equivalent for males, if you're talking about femicide, mass rapes in other countries, no."

Well that's true, because those things are the results of misogyny which is real. Misandry has no results or manifestations of harm because it doesn't exist.

I'm guessing Sigmund. I don't imagine the numbers are very high given the size of the comments threads - a few rad fems, and some frothing MRAs who can't stand that some women notice the hatred that men as a group mete out to women.

'You said that appalling harm happened to men because of misandry. Please can you tell us where it's happening Sigmunde and what the harm is.'

Can you point out that post to me please, I'm losing track here. And the will to live.

So I think I have worked it out

misogyny - murder, rape, violation, abuse on a huge scale all over the world
misandry - someone saying something a bit mean somewhere and most people who hear it saying "Hold on you can't generalise like that"

Is that it?

I think the problems caused by misogyny are more pressing, personally.

Fucking hell. I missed this yesterday.

F4J are not the brightest of the bunch are they.

Shows them in their true, vile, childish light doesn't it.

'Is that it?'

No.

'I'm guessing Sigmund. I don't imagine the numbers are very high given the size of the comments threads - a few rad fems, and some frothing MRAs who can't stand that some women notice the hatred that men as a group mete out to women.'

It's difficult to estimate, that's true, due to the secretive nature of the forum. I think that in this case, the MRA's have something to froth about, actually.

So what else then?

Where are men as a group being violently harmed and violated by women as a group as a result of misandry, with the support of the legal system (or a blind eye turned)?

Misogyny - rape, femicide, no legal rights within marriage etc ( all on a global scale)

Misandry - someone saying something like " all men are crap at housework" which strangely benefits men a whole heap more than the women left to scrub shit off toilets.

'Misogyny - rape, femicide, no legal rights within marriage etc ( all on a global scale)

Misandry - someone saying something like " all men are crap at housework" which strangely benefits men a whole heap more than the women left to scrub shit off toilets.'

Yep. That'll be it. Nice bit of belittling there.

Sigmund, I think nyac is referring to this post of yours at 10.59.

"Of course I know that appalling things happen to women. Where did I say they didn't. But to hurl statistics at me in a way to silence me isn't going to work. (Statistics are not a statement of fact).

Appalling things happen to men too. It is right to be concerned for both. It is discrimination to only be concerned for one."

So far you have not come up with any examples - except a radfem blog.

Hy don't you give us some examples of Misandry then. How hard can it be?

Ok. Thanks running. I think I was talking more about our own Isles rather than worldwide there.

I need to go and research before I come back on this, I have a vague idea of what I want to say, but need to have it clear in my mind.

I'd say it's more about keeping things in perspective rather than 'belittling'

You simply cannot equate the global suffering of men and women

Am I allowed to use misandry in the same way as you use misogyny? Because that would make it a lot easier.

I'm not talking about global suffering, I know very little about the global suffering of men.

You certainly do need to do some research, sigmund.

To say what you did and not back it up with factual examples is the height of hypocrisy, considering the attack you made on nyac upthread.

To equate misandry with misogyny really would be belittling. Not to the suffering of men though. Most of their global suffering, such as it is, is inflicted by other men. An important distinction

Where men are suffering in numbers around the world it is usually as a result of (off the top of my head)

capitalism eg miners in terrible dangerous conditions
hyper-masculinity eg gangs
traditional/hierarchical construction of society eg caste system (obviously affecting women worse though)

The good news is that radical feminism will solve all those problems, and conditions for men will improve.

Where men are suffering in numbers around the world, I can categorically state that it is not due to misandry.

Thing is that because women are lower down the "food chain" than men, generally where a man is having it bad, there is a woman having it worse.
Children too have a particularly bad time.

Radical feminism has the answers.

'To say what you did and not back it up with factual examples is the height of hypocrisy, considering the attack you made on nyac upthread.'

I did not attack Nyac. Please stop using emotive language. I've explained to you what I meant by the post running just mentioned. I was not talking on a global scale.

I said nyac was taking statistics....oh you know what I said. I'm not repeating it yet again.

Radical feminism has no answers. Many questions need to be asked of radical feminism. Radical feminism has no place in any civilised society.

I do know what you said, I read it earlier, and I wasn't the only poster that thought you were attacking her. It was completely without grounds, too. As you've just shown, you cannot come up with anything concrete to back up your claims.