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when I post about trying to bring an end to bullying on Mumsnet? Read this post and see for yourselves that I am not the only one.

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Mummle · 15/03/2012 14:56

Who?s brave enough to take on Mumsnet?
Posted on July 28, 2011
Picture this. A new kid at school enters the playground on her first day. ?TA-DA!? she shouts to a group of children playing together. ?I?M FINALLY HERE after much moaning by my parents and a lost school application, the school board have fast-tracked my application and I?m now officially a pupil here. What have I let myself in for??

The child continues, ?Some of you may already know me, in which case ?Hi?. Some of you may never have heard of me, in which case ?Hi? ? where the heck have you been for the past two years??

One of the children in the group sneers, ?I have no idea who you are. Sorry,? and turns away. ?Well it?s nice to meet you!? offers the new kid.

?Look, I?ve been here longer than you,? says the sneering child, ?and your entrance has got my back up.? Before long, more children get involved, slagging off the new kid, telling her that she?s broken the school?s ?unwritten rules? and even calling her a c*.

The scary thing is that while this scenario happened, just this week, it didn?t happen in a school playground. It took place on parenting forum Mumsnet. The ?new kid? was a mum who?d just joined the Mumsnet Bloggers Network, and while her original post on the forum was arguably ill-judged, the reaction from other forum users was gobsmacking.

Much has been written in the past about the nastiness lurking in the Mumsnet forums, yet it seems to be brushed under the carpet and generally accepted as ?one of those things?. The users of the forum adhere to the bizarre ?I can be as nasty and vicious as I like, as long as I?m being honest and say it to the person?s face? mentality. It?s an attitude that took flight during the ten seasons of reality TV show Big Brother, with housemates gaining a strange kudos for being nasty (but honest).

The Mumsnet forum users also regularly refer to the rival ?insipid? parenting forums (for insipid, read supportive and friendly) and tell people that if they can?t handle Mumsnet, to clear off elsewhere. Conjures up images of a school gang telling a fellow pupil that if they don?t like the name-calling, to leave that school and find another, doesn?t it?

The word ?bullying? is bandied about a lot these days. Often to the point that it devalues its meaning ? very frustrating for real victims of real bullying. But having dipped in and out of Mumsnet a few times in the last couple of years, I genuinely think the word applies to some of the goings-on there. It begs the question: how on earth are we supposed to stamp out the serious bullying problem we have in schools, if parents are behaving like this? Admittedly, they?re doing it while hiding behind the anonymity of an online forum, but they?re still typing those words, saying those vile things, making other women feel like crap.

So what are Mumsnet doing about this? Well, not much it seems. Mumsnet founder Justine Roberts explained it away, in a Daily Mail article, last year, saying, ?We don?t want to sound like schoolteachers looking over our spectacles, and we don?t do it publicly. If someone has made personal attacks, we may contact them off board and it?s amazing how often they?ll say, ?I?m so sorry ? yesterday was just one of those days?. Mothers often have a lot going on in their lives and they don?t always realise how their words may come across.?

Ah, so this behaviour is acceptable if they?ve had a bad day and apologise afterwards? Well, it doesn?t wash with me, and the whole scenario is even more worrying when you look at the apparent clout that Justine Roberts and Mumsnet have with David Cameron.

I?m putting a challenge out there. We need an intervention. Someone needs to stand up to the Mumsnet bullies and deal with them like we deal with the school bullies. Who?s brave enough to do it?

OP posts:
lesley33 · 15/03/2012 15:38

Filly - Noooo! You can't have somebody just drop into a thread a description of a disgusting sexual practice.

You will just have to wait tioll you can get home.

swallowedAfly · 15/03/2012 15:39

no, i refuse!

Sarcalogos · 15/03/2012 15:39

'ta-da I'm finally here'

If a child turned up and said that on their first day of school I would consider them arrogant and lacking in social skills. And it would make the name calling they subsequently received unsurprising

Of course bullying is not ok. But bullying is a sustained campaign. Unless unpopular posters are being followed round the forums being slagged off by the same people then it isn't bullying, it's an argument. And as this is the Internet, if you don't like it you are free to jog on...

hopkin · 15/03/2012 15:40

OP

IsSamNormansDad · 15/03/2012 15:40

Filly - don't google, just don't! Wink

Evilclown · 15/03/2012 15:40

Please oh please can someone explain what the blog post was about. Thankyou

ExitPursuedByABear · 15/03/2012 15:40

What MaryZ said.

With a few extra

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Hullygully · 15/03/2012 15:40

WHAT WAS THE BLOG POST?

swallowedAfly · 15/03/2012 15:41

sounds like it's less like the op is being followed around and bullied than is repeatedly insisting on throwing herself onto a busy a motorway.

wigglesrock · 15/03/2012 15:41

Look I think MN can be a bit up its own hole sometimes, I've said it before and probably will again, but I enjoy it, I get a lot of support from a particular group.

I remember that thread from the OP, the original poster misread the tone etc, was a bit wankerydog about it and got some of her mates to pile in.

It was entertaining Fri/Sat night nonsense and it was donkeys ago, I remember reading it when dd3 was a baby and she's 13 months now.

NowThenWreck · 15/03/2012 15:41

It's not REAL. It's just a WEBSITE that people use for a LAUGH and to PASS SOME TIME WHEN THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE WORKING.
Sometimes like when you go to Lone parents to completely trash your Ex, it can be cathartic, and often supportive.

But, as I said IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER, as IT'S NOT REAL LIFE.

What is it with these threads at the moment??
I almost never shout, but I am finding some people to be hard of understanding.

OrmIrian · 15/03/2012 15:41

When they arrive and say 'Ta-da!' do they also do jazz hands? In which case it would be the duty of every right-thinking child and adult in the vicinity to jump up and down on them until they stop.

WorraLiberty · 15/03/2012 15:42

I'm gutted now that when I was a newbie, I didn't think to start a thread saying "TA-DA! I'M FINALLY HERE!" Sad

I'm quite sure it would have put a different slant on my tender early days here Grin

EnjoyResponsibly · 15/03/2012 15:42

I do believe there's a fine line between having a valid point (incidentally one that can be adequately dealt with IME by simply pressing the handily placed "report" button and being a big PITA.

OP you've crossed it. Please for all that is holy find another dead horse.

Stratters · 15/03/2012 15:42

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Calamityboo · 15/03/2012 15:43

come on mummle what is your beef with mn? If you dont like us, maybe netbums is the way forward, you know children often have to change schools to avoid bullying.

Is no one in this bunfight, cupcakes going stale! :(

MadameMessy · 15/03/2012 15:43

are people really still talking about this? op is there nothing else to whine about no?

EnjoyResponsibly · 15/03/2012 15:44

I was a newbie at the same time as the TA DA thread. It made me want to throw things TBH. Several months later still does.

lesley33 · 15/03/2012 15:45

Throw things at the OP? Sorry didn't see thread

Fuzzywood · 15/03/2012 15:45

OP seriously why are you bothering with this? (more to the point why am I??

lambethlil · 15/03/2012 15:45

I've found the original.

The blogger was extraordinarily, gobsmackingly and excruciatingly, erm, bumptious. I don't know if it then got nasty but the first page or so are quite car crash, please stop talking, cringeworthy.

Meh, I don't know, Bloggers have an agenda, no such thing as bad publicity, etc.

I would be very surprised if a 'regular' first time poster got such a response.

Calamityboo · 15/03/2012 15:46

GrinGrinGrin hopkin

EnjoyResponsibly · 15/03/2012 15:46

Just throw things Lesley, the whining just went on and on and on although if that OP had accidentally been caught in the crossfire

ChaoticAngel · 15/03/2012 15:47

I know dragon butter and blue waffle but not munting or space docking. I'm not entirely sure whether my imagination or the reality is worse.