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when I post about trying to bring an end to bullying on Mumsnet? Read this post and see for yourselves that I am not the only one.

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Mummle · 15/03/2012 14:56

Who?s brave enough to take on Mumsnet?
Posted on July 28, 2011
Picture this. A new kid at school enters the playground on her first day. ?TA-DA!? she shouts to a group of children playing together. ?I?M FINALLY HERE after much moaning by my parents and a lost school application, the school board have fast-tracked my application and I?m now officially a pupil here. What have I let myself in for??

The child continues, ?Some of you may already know me, in which case ?Hi?. Some of you may never have heard of me, in which case ?Hi? ? where the heck have you been for the past two years??

One of the children in the group sneers, ?I have no idea who you are. Sorry,? and turns away. ?Well it?s nice to meet you!? offers the new kid.

?Look, I?ve been here longer than you,? says the sneering child, ?and your entrance has got my back up.? Before long, more children get involved, slagging off the new kid, telling her that she?s broken the school?s ?unwritten rules? and even calling her a c*.

The scary thing is that while this scenario happened, just this week, it didn?t happen in a school playground. It took place on parenting forum Mumsnet. The ?new kid? was a mum who?d just joined the Mumsnet Bloggers Network, and while her original post on the forum was arguably ill-judged, the reaction from other forum users was gobsmacking.

Much has been written in the past about the nastiness lurking in the Mumsnet forums, yet it seems to be brushed under the carpet and generally accepted as ?one of those things?. The users of the forum adhere to the bizarre ?I can be as nasty and vicious as I like, as long as I?m being honest and say it to the person?s face? mentality. It?s an attitude that took flight during the ten seasons of reality TV show Big Brother, with housemates gaining a strange kudos for being nasty (but honest).

The Mumsnet forum users also regularly refer to the rival ?insipid? parenting forums (for insipid, read supportive and friendly) and tell people that if they can?t handle Mumsnet, to clear off elsewhere. Conjures up images of a school gang telling a fellow pupil that if they don?t like the name-calling, to leave that school and find another, doesn?t it?

The word ?bullying? is bandied about a lot these days. Often to the point that it devalues its meaning ? very frustrating for real victims of real bullying. But having dipped in and out of Mumsnet a few times in the last couple of years, I genuinely think the word applies to some of the goings-on there. It begs the question: how on earth are we supposed to stamp out the serious bullying problem we have in schools, if parents are behaving like this? Admittedly, they?re doing it while hiding behind the anonymity of an online forum, but they?re still typing those words, saying those vile things, making other women feel like crap.

So what are Mumsnet doing about this? Well, not much it seems. Mumsnet founder Justine Roberts explained it away, in a Daily Mail article, last year, saying, ?We don?t want to sound like schoolteachers looking over our spectacles, and we don?t do it publicly. If someone has made personal attacks, we may contact them off board and it?s amazing how often they?ll say, ?I?m so sorry ? yesterday was just one of those days?. Mothers often have a lot going on in their lives and they don?t always realise how their words may come across.?

Ah, so this behaviour is acceptable if they?ve had a bad day and apologise afterwards? Well, it doesn?t wash with me, and the whole scenario is even more worrying when you look at the apparent clout that Justine Roberts and Mumsnet have with David Cameron.

I?m putting a challenge out there. We need an intervention. Someone needs to stand up to the Mumsnet bullies and deal with them like we deal with the school bullies. Who?s brave enough to do it?

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RhinosDontEatPancakes · 15/03/2012 14:56

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Aworryingtrend · 15/03/2012 14:57

Er, wow.

MadamTwoSwords · 15/03/2012 14:59

Oh give it a rest OP, go find a campaign that is actually the truth and matters.

bibbityisaporker · 15/03/2012 15:00

I remember that thread. Who was the op again, I'd love to re-read.

Giyadas · 15/03/2012 15:00

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2cats2many · 15/03/2012 15:01

Good grief. This isn't real life y'know. Its completely different to someone being mean to a child on their first day at school, because you have the very easy option of turning off your computer and doing something else instead.

farfallarocks · 15/03/2012 15:01

I really like mumsnet, its honest and sometimes heated and therefore different to all the other forums which are fluffy and honney.

You need to choose a forum that suits your style and personality.

Personally I have had nothing but amazing support, companionship and advice on here and I love it. I like the heated thread and the sense of humour on here is unparalled anywhere else (trip advisor thread anywhere?)

lesley33 · 15/03/2012 15:01

Mummle - Okay I will reply to your post seriously.

  1. I agree there are sometimes unkind comments on this forum. If you see them challenge them and report them. They wilol be deleted if out of order.
  1. To use your analogy - new child turns up in the playground and says Hi. One child is being told off for swearing at a teacher. New child jumps in a nd defends child being told off. New child gets told off.

New child then wanders about playground saying they want to tell everyone to fuck off and that everyone is being vile and abusive to them. New child is told that she is being out of order.

New child then complains loudly and continuously that she is being bullied.

Yes some posters on here are sometimes out of order. But your own behaviour has been breathtaking.

ShirleyKnot · 15/03/2012 15:01

Why are you dragging all this back up again?

Typecast herself posts on the blogging boards now. Confused

Fillybuster · 15/03/2012 15:01

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Portofino · 15/03/2012 15:01

Oh I remember that one too. Right up herself she was.

MooncupGoddess · 15/03/2012 15:01

You don't HAVE to post on here, OP. Why don't you try CommentisFree or the Daily Mail talkboards? I'm sure the welcoming and knowledgeable posters there will appreciate your unique approach.

IsSamNormansDad · 15/03/2012 15:02

Yeah there's some of that, but I have found MN to be funny, disgusting (I'm looking at you, whoever told me to google dragon butter, blue waffle etc Angry), supportive and mainly friendly. So there is a bit of name calling on an ANONYMOUS Internet forum? Wow, thats unexpected I don't post often, but I lurk every day sometimes, get off your high horse op.

Pagwatch · 15/03/2012 15:02

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LtEveDallas · 15/03/2012 15:02

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ABatInBunkFive · 15/03/2012 15:03

That analogy is horseshit, a child is told what school they will be going to for a start and must attend or be homeschooled, no one makes anyone use forums and no one is forced to use MN if you don't like it don't use it, use another or start your own if this place bothers you so much.

nickelhasababy · 15/03/2012 15:03

taking your post seriously - if you think someone is being bullied or personally attacked, then report post it's above the post in blue bar.

ABatInBunkFive · 15/03/2012 15:03

Or what TMMJ said.

hazeyjane · 15/03/2012 15:03

I'm sorry, but I don't recognise the picture you have painted. I have certainly seen some rucks on here, but don't recognise the type of bullying you talk about. I have been here 6 years and have received nothing but support, advice and friendship in all the time I have been here, through some huge ups and downs in my life.

Fillybuster · 15/03/2012 15:04

I think that might have been my first ever outburst of swearing on MN.

Blush

Not sure I've got it quite right yet.

Oddly, I think I'm better at it in real life.

But seriously, MN rocks. Just stop expecting everyone to agree with you, or even be polite, and get on with it.

eppa · 15/03/2012 15:04

Personally I like the fact that people on mumsnet have strong opinions and are happy to stick up for them.
I have strong opinions myself and wouldn't expect or want everyone to agree with me - part of the interest is hearing different points of view. I don't think this is bullying.

ShirleyKnot · 15/03/2012 15:05

"The scary thing is that while this scenario happened, just this week, it didn?t happen in a school playground. It took place on parenting forum Mumsnet. The ?new kid? was a mum who?d just joined the Mumsnet Bloggers Network, and while her original post on the forum was arguably ill-judged, the reaction from other forum users was gobsmacking."

No it didn't. It happened AGES ago.

nickelhasababy · 15/03/2012 15:05

sam - you were told categorically never to google dragon butter.

ABatInBunkFive · 15/03/2012 15:06

Oh and ftr people readily stand up to people who are being nasty on here all the time!