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when I post about trying to bring an end to bullying on Mumsnet? Read this post and see for yourselves that I am not the only one.

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Mummle · 15/03/2012 14:56

Who?s brave enough to take on Mumsnet?
Posted on July 28, 2011
Picture this. A new kid at school enters the playground on her first day. ?TA-DA!? she shouts to a group of children playing together. ?I?M FINALLY HERE after much moaning by my parents and a lost school application, the school board have fast-tracked my application and I?m now officially a pupil here. What have I let myself in for??

The child continues, ?Some of you may already know me, in which case ?Hi?. Some of you may never have heard of me, in which case ?Hi? ? where the heck have you been for the past two years??

One of the children in the group sneers, ?I have no idea who you are. Sorry,? and turns away. ?Well it?s nice to meet you!? offers the new kid.

?Look, I?ve been here longer than you,? says the sneering child, ?and your entrance has got my back up.? Before long, more children get involved, slagging off the new kid, telling her that she?s broken the school?s ?unwritten rules? and even calling her a c*.

The scary thing is that while this scenario happened, just this week, it didn?t happen in a school playground. It took place on parenting forum Mumsnet. The ?new kid? was a mum who?d just joined the Mumsnet Bloggers Network, and while her original post on the forum was arguably ill-judged, the reaction from other forum users was gobsmacking.

Much has been written in the past about the nastiness lurking in the Mumsnet forums, yet it seems to be brushed under the carpet and generally accepted as ?one of those things?. The users of the forum adhere to the bizarre ?I can be as nasty and vicious as I like, as long as I?m being honest and say it to the person?s face? mentality. It?s an attitude that took flight during the ten seasons of reality TV show Big Brother, with housemates gaining a strange kudos for being nasty (but honest).

The Mumsnet forum users also regularly refer to the rival ?insipid? parenting forums (for insipid, read supportive and friendly) and tell people that if they can?t handle Mumsnet, to clear off elsewhere. Conjures up images of a school gang telling a fellow pupil that if they don?t like the name-calling, to leave that school and find another, doesn?t it?

The word ?bullying? is bandied about a lot these days. Often to the point that it devalues its meaning ? very frustrating for real victims of real bullying. But having dipped in and out of Mumsnet a few times in the last couple of years, I genuinely think the word applies to some of the goings-on there. It begs the question: how on earth are we supposed to stamp out the serious bullying problem we have in schools, if parents are behaving like this? Admittedly, they?re doing it while hiding behind the anonymity of an online forum, but they?re still typing those words, saying those vile things, making other women feel like crap.

So what are Mumsnet doing about this? Well, not much it seems. Mumsnet founder Justine Roberts explained it away, in a Daily Mail article, last year, saying, ?We don?t want to sound like schoolteachers looking over our spectacles, and we don?t do it publicly. If someone has made personal attacks, we may contact them off board and it?s amazing how often they?ll say, ?I?m so sorry ? yesterday was just one of those days?. Mothers often have a lot going on in their lives and they don?t always realise how their words may come across.?

Ah, so this behaviour is acceptable if they?ve had a bad day and apologise afterwards? Well, it doesn?t wash with me, and the whole scenario is even more worrying when you look at the apparent clout that Justine Roberts and Mumsnet have with David Cameron.

I?m putting a challenge out there. We need an intervention. Someone needs to stand up to the Mumsnet bullies and deal with them like we deal with the school bullies. Who?s brave enough to do it?

OP posts:
LeBOF · 15/03/2012 15:06

Bored now.

OrmIrian · 15/03/2012 15:06

Rubbish.

Maryz · 15/03/2012 15:07

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PeppermintPasty · 15/03/2012 15:08

themildmanneredjanitor has it exactly right. It's utterly ridiculous to get worked up by words on a website like this. Or anywhere else in cyberspace. Grow up, give as good as you get, equip yourself with an intelligent argument, or switch off the computer and get on with real life.

Voidka · 15/03/2012 15:08

Why dont you just leave then if you dont like it here.

This isnt Points of View. Terry Wogan isnt going to turn up and act all sympathetic.

Jins · 15/03/2012 15:08

Some of you may never have heard of me, in which case ?Hi? ? where the heck have you been for the past two years??

Well that's a fabulous way of integrating into a new community without getting people's backs up isn't it?

Fillybuster · 15/03/2012 15:08
Grin

I think I might luff Maryz a little bit...

TheOneWithTheHair · 15/03/2012 15:08

Will I never learn? I just googled blue waffle. Eeewwwwww!!!!

lesley33 · 15/03/2012 15:08

shirley - I thought it did just happen this week.

OP defended someone who has posted by speculating all kinds of things to explain the OPs behaviour, that even the OP said wasn't the case.

lesley33 · 15/03/2012 15:09

theonewiththehair - Never google anything mentioned here!

PeppermintPasty · 15/03/2012 15:10

And I remember your "piece", it was ill judged.

^me being kind^

lesley33 · 15/03/2012 15:10

Apart from munting

PurplePidjin · 15/03/2012 15:10

I remember that thread. A more accurate analogy would be a Z list "celebrity" making a fuss about not being let in to some swanky restaurant shouting "Don't you know who I am"

This was pointed out and, afaik, the OP is now a valuable contributor on that part of the forum.

Why drag it up nearly a year later?

ShirleyKnot · 15/03/2012 15:10

What Lesley?

The scenario (in fact the whole post) happened on the bloggers network last year - it was a right fucking mess.

Stratters · 15/03/2012 15:10

I can hear that fucking mosquito again.

Bramshott · 15/03/2012 15:11

The crucial difference between the "school playground" scenario and Mumsnet is that we are not children here . . . Actually thinking about it, neither do we have a statutory and legal duty to be here, nor are we here to be educated.

ABatInBunkFive · 15/03/2012 15:12

Posted on July 28, 2011

That was quite a while ago, two people with an issue out of how many users, i'd say that was pretty damn good myself.

PeppermintPasty · 15/03/2012 15:12

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Message deleted by Mumsnet.

Stratters · 15/03/2012 15:12

Space Docking lesley?

lesley33 · 15/03/2012 15:12

Sorry Shirley, my post made no sense at all
Didn't know about the other post though.

iCANdothisiCAN · 15/03/2012 15:12

Nope, must not feed the...........

Labootin · 15/03/2012 15:24

I love an intervention

let's take over mums net!

Yeah !

Woooo

Er now what?

lesley33 · 15/03/2012 15:26

No stratters!
I refuse to google anything on here. I actually don't know what any of these terms are except munting. And thats only because somebody dropped a post in the middle of a thread with a definition!

2shoes · 15/03/2012 15:28

sorry I died of boredom reading the OP.
why do your refer to bloggers in it?

BoysAreLikeDogs · 15/03/2012 15:30

lots of bullying here doncha think?

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