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when I post about trying to bring an end to bullying on Mumsnet? Read this post and see for yourselves that I am not the only one.

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Mummle · 15/03/2012 14:56

Who?s brave enough to take on Mumsnet?
Posted on July 28, 2011
Picture this. A new kid at school enters the playground on her first day. ?TA-DA!? she shouts to a group of children playing together. ?I?M FINALLY HERE after much moaning by my parents and a lost school application, the school board have fast-tracked my application and I?m now officially a pupil here. What have I let myself in for??

The child continues, ?Some of you may already know me, in which case ?Hi?. Some of you may never have heard of me, in which case ?Hi? ? where the heck have you been for the past two years??

One of the children in the group sneers, ?I have no idea who you are. Sorry,? and turns away. ?Well it?s nice to meet you!? offers the new kid.

?Look, I?ve been here longer than you,? says the sneering child, ?and your entrance has got my back up.? Before long, more children get involved, slagging off the new kid, telling her that she?s broken the school?s ?unwritten rules? and even calling her a c*.

The scary thing is that while this scenario happened, just this week, it didn?t happen in a school playground. It took place on parenting forum Mumsnet. The ?new kid? was a mum who?d just joined the Mumsnet Bloggers Network, and while her original post on the forum was arguably ill-judged, the reaction from other forum users was gobsmacking.

Much has been written in the past about the nastiness lurking in the Mumsnet forums, yet it seems to be brushed under the carpet and generally accepted as ?one of those things?. The users of the forum adhere to the bizarre ?I can be as nasty and vicious as I like, as long as I?m being honest and say it to the person?s face? mentality. It?s an attitude that took flight during the ten seasons of reality TV show Big Brother, with housemates gaining a strange kudos for being nasty (but honest).

The Mumsnet forum users also regularly refer to the rival ?insipid? parenting forums (for insipid, read supportive and friendly) and tell people that if they can?t handle Mumsnet, to clear off elsewhere. Conjures up images of a school gang telling a fellow pupil that if they don?t like the name-calling, to leave that school and find another, doesn?t it?

The word ?bullying? is bandied about a lot these days. Often to the point that it devalues its meaning ? very frustrating for real victims of real bullying. But having dipped in and out of Mumsnet a few times in the last couple of years, I genuinely think the word applies to some of the goings-on there. It begs the question: how on earth are we supposed to stamp out the serious bullying problem we have in schools, if parents are behaving like this? Admittedly, they?re doing it while hiding behind the anonymity of an online forum, but they?re still typing those words, saying those vile things, making other women feel like crap.

So what are Mumsnet doing about this? Well, not much it seems. Mumsnet founder Justine Roberts explained it away, in a Daily Mail article, last year, saying, ?We don?t want to sound like schoolteachers looking over our spectacles, and we don?t do it publicly. If someone has made personal attacks, we may contact them off board and it?s amazing how often they?ll say, ?I?m so sorry ? yesterday was just one of those days?. Mothers often have a lot going on in their lives and they don?t always realise how their words may come across.?

Ah, so this behaviour is acceptable if they?ve had a bad day and apologise afterwards? Well, it doesn?t wash with me, and the whole scenario is even more worrying when you look at the apparent clout that Justine Roberts and Mumsnet have with David Cameron.

I?m putting a challenge out there. We need an intervention. Someone needs to stand up to the Mumsnet bullies and deal with them like we deal with the school bullies. Who?s brave enough to do it?

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PeppermintPasty · 15/03/2012 21:18

Do you think that the people who start these type of threads have their own little competition with each other about the number of posters they can get? The League Table Of Losers? Losers being us or them, depending on your perspective.

This one's done quite well. I suspect the first rule is that you must make only one post, then enter your stats after say, ten hours.

Oh dear. It's these thoughts or Masterchef.

everlong · 15/03/2012 21:22

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MariaCallous · 15/03/2012 21:22

I knew it would be you. Tiresome wouldn't be in it.

Stratters · 15/03/2012 21:23

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Arachnophobic · 15/03/2012 21:29

Disagree with OP to your hearts content people. But FGS Maria it's posters like you OP is referring to. Why rise to the bait?

Jux · 15/03/2012 22:38

It's interesting that as all this bullying goes on on MN that the OP has to go all the way back to July last year to find an example of it; presumable if bullying were rife on MN she'd be able to find a more recent and better example, or even two.

submarine · 15/03/2012 22:39

Im a bit late but I completly agree with the poster.On my first response to a post I was completly met with a barrage of what I can describe completly honestly as bullying, they then started to feed off each other and it got worse and worse.

bunch of nutters. I no longer rise to the bait to be honest. I reported it to mumsnet and was told it was heated!!

I firmly believe there are a group of extrellelly narrow minded , selfish people who enjoy cyber bullying on here and look for victims.
Like life there will be people like that on here but mums net do not need to let it go on.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 15/03/2012 22:44

What thread was it, submarine? Can you link to it?

Is it possible that they disagreed with you, in a robust and heated fashion, or have they followed you round the board picking on everything you said?

StrandedBear · 15/03/2012 22:46

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SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 15/03/2012 22:47

The barstewards.

Moominsarescary · 15/03/2012 22:50

stratters that is the first time I've been told to fuck off!

Hairless handbag dogs give me the creeps

Soz

RhinosDontEatPancakes · 15/03/2012 22:51

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StrandedBear · 15/03/2012 22:51

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NorfolkNChance · 15/03/2012 22:53

Stranded as tempting as that would be don't do it.

I got banned from the TES forums for doing similar and I'd hate to see you go

TuftyFinch · 15/03/2012 22:54

Did the definition of bullying get changed?

Anyway.

I have no TV signal.Shall I change to Sky?

PeppermintPasty · 15/03/2012 22:56

Shelina did win then everlong. You know your onions.

TuftyFinch · 15/03/2012 22:58

AHHHHHHHHH Peppermint! I was going to watch it on iplayer!. Now you have ruined my life!!

BeerTricksPott3r · 15/03/2012 22:58

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PeppermintPasty · 15/03/2012 23:02

Shock oh no Tufty I'm so sorry. What an arse I am! Please accept my apologies.

Ooh should I get MNHQ to delete, even though it will look like I've been deleted for bullying or summat?!

StrandedBear · 15/03/2012 23:04

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TuftyFinch · 15/03/2012 23:17

Peppermint don't worry. By the time my TV works again I'll have forgotton and I can spend the time watching it thinking 'who did Peppermint say?' It'll add a new dimension Grin

catsrus · 15/03/2012 23:34

it would seem to me to be sensible, when joining any new group of people, to first ascertain whether they are, indeed, your type. Do you share common interests? are your values the same? if the answer to these is "yes" then you have indeed found a home. If the answer is "no" then continue in your search. Do not waste your valuable time and energy seeking to change either yourself or them, life, my dear, is too short

having belonged to more online groups than most people on here have had hot dinners (especially counting take-aways !) the old advice to lurk a while before posting remains WISE

theodorakis · 16/03/2012 07:16

But in fairness, new people often post dog shit/cats in garden/parent and child space threads. Either that or a ridiculous and inflammatory BF/FF type thread.

Tee2072 · 16/03/2012 08:58

Hey, 96 hits yesterday, a day I didn't post until very late.

Thanks chaps! Keep bringing up that out if date moved on from thread as much as possible! I could get advertisers at this rate!