to really not identify with the feminist boards on here, when i always thought I was a feminist

[DinahMoHum]

seems so joyless and anti sex.

I feel very conflicted now. I always thought feminism was about equality for women, which I dont believe we have, but it seems to re\lly be focusing on the wrong issues for me, and getting too much into dynamics of personal relationships, and peoples sexual preferences

im probably being unreasonable

I had two pairs of dangerous dungerees around 1989, but they were very girly and flowery. Make of that what you will.

And some bovver boots. but they were pink suede. Complete fail on the wimmin front.

I had dungarees on around 1989, but in my defense, I was nine years old. :)

I did have some navy blue doc martens in the nineties, though. I thought I was Angela Chase, and I was soo cool.

Probably.

The 80s were my glory days - filled with perms, batwings, dungarees, jumpsuits & the like. Pixie boots, too.

Never fancied DMR though. More of a Bon Jovi kind of gal. ( Now they were reaaaaally dangerous, wasn't allowed posters of them on my bedroom wall cos they were so dangerous)

Dangerous how, kickass? In purely aesthetic terms (offensive, rather than dangerous, strictly speaking), or dangerous like they might 'inspire' you into some horrible accident involving Wella Shockwaves and hissing white-hot crimpers?
... Which brings me to thinking of Whitesnake's 'Here I Go Again' - great soundtrack to MN and - and a potentially feminist anthem, I've sometimes thought (if you ignore the video, obv).

I don't know. You'd have to ask my mother. I think it was indicative of getting me ears pierced, eating on the street and liking boys. Obviously it was just one short step from there to drugs, teen pregnancy etc

The perm happened anyway.

Dinah hasn't come back. I am disappointed!

I need her advice, in order to post supportively, yet joyously, with a sex-positive attitude.

Many exasperated men and women, on many forums, with disparate views, have found common ground in agreeing that I am repetitive, and have a one-track mind. I am proud of this.

Thus, I am unlikely to go away.

Well, I'll have to give up when the thread fills up, because it's my personal policy not to drag issues on to other threads, or PM's, 'cos that's nasty. Although it damn near makes me cry to refrain from pointing out hypocrisy...

But still.

I've found very helpful in expressing joy, Jessie.
Whilst I am also fond of , I use it more cautiously, lest it should indicate that I'm fonder of Twinings English Breakfast than humping.

I hope you will not find in my post any suggestion of competitiveness, since that might undermine the 'welcoming' atmosphere that I seel to foster in all my posts. Therefore, I am pleased to share with you my humble offer of

and I sincerely hope that in presenting you with more I can assist in your nurturing a more joyous (and, I hope, repetitive) posting style in future.

Yours, Plump

If you are unsatisfied with , please accept

seek

seek seek seek seek .... seek as a Dog

I am touched beyond mere words, to see that someone cares about my pressing problem.

All I can say is:

The pleasure was all mine, Jessie.
I'm always grateful for any opportunity to express joy, joyousness, joyfulness, and, if my fellow posters will permit me to employ a (dare I say it! ) foreign phrase joie de vivre.
The above is especially true when I am also furnished with any opportunity for the gratuitous use of emoticons.

In fact, I propose that we continue this thread using nothing but emoticons. Words, as you say, are not enough...

I'll start (see below)

have we stopped the debate on this subject? But there is so much more scope. The last few posts seem to have strangled things, and has become a sort of smug 'in-joke'.

There is a strange dichotomy where lots of posters state they feel a limitation on their ability to express themselves in the FS, but 'regular' posters insist there is no such barrier to opinion. After so many hundreds of posts, it does beggar the question 'who cares least?' The frustrated, latent posters, or the 'regular' FS posters. Neither seem to want each other too much as they are too challenging to their own positions.

hmm, kind of funny that a thread claiming that feminist have no soh, turns into a joke about 80s perms & fashion.

BUT I did come on here a while back to make the following point.

Any attack that is personal, whether it names that person or not, are, well personal. ie, feminists all have hairy armpits, is personal. feminists like to read simone de beauvois isn't.

saying one is a personal attack & against mn guidelines. the other is up for discussion.

laughing at 80s fashion & music is hardly an 'in' joke - although it does def date a few of us

80's fashion was no joke. Children of the 70's were embarassed for you all.

and the dungaree thing for 80's feminists was almost as absurd as a the massive earings that often went with them. I mean why would you want to cultivate the chic of a Mid-West farm hand ( with model parrots hanging off your ears) as a statement?

Pan. This is scary. I did indeed have a pair if parrot earrings

(goes to sit in corner and die of shame)

hmm, kind of funny that a thread claiming that feminist have no soh, turns into a joke about 80s perms & fashion.

80's fashions were no joke - anyone who wore them had no SOH :o

I have the gift.

Well, if you want to be serious * about it, this is what I think is happening with FWR, after all these threads about it.

It's a niche section about a political movement/ movement for social change/ideology (how do you define feminism?), which has attracted many passionate women and men.

The topics covered will generally concern something which one or more MNers consider to be an example of continued sex/gender inequality. The forum will become quite serious. Although people will occasionally post evidence of change already achieved, the focus will be on what is yet to be done. Thus, it does not seem a joyful place.

Some people infer from the quantity of serious posts, that the FWR regs are serious people, rather than normal people, who talk and post differently, according to subject, and context.

I can't see any way to solve that.

Secondly, gender/sex inequality is often judged to manifest itself in sexual relationships, sexual attitudes, and our society's continuing major problem of widespread rape and sexual abuse of men and women. This is much discussed. The focus on problems with sexual relationships, causes some to infer the posters hate sex in itself. This is especially frequent, due to a) the pre-conceptions many already have about feminism and b) trolls and/or posts concerning really out-there analyses. No, not out-there, I mean out- there.

Thirdly, having the skill to deal a question politely, tactfully, PATIENTLY and persuasively, even though you've heard it 50,000 times before, is not usual for most humans. Unless the regulars in there are saints, I would expect them to be more abrupt in answering than they used to be. Posters who are asking a question for the first time, for them/are arrogant enough to think they are the first person in history to ask a particular question (I'm trying to be funny here), may pick up on a mismatch of tone. Some of them will be put off FWR.

Feminists are people too!

I must note here, that if anyone here think the FWR regs are brisk, you have seen nothing. I once lurked on a thread specifically created for newcomers to ask questions about Market-Anarchy (in a forum about Market-Anarchy), and the viciousness there was unparalleled. As far as I could tell, the forum had never even had a true trolling problem, and yet they treated all questioners as trolls.

FWR, by contrast, has had a trolling problem, and none of the members actually run the main site. Yet, they're much nicer, as far as I can see. There's a lesson there.

*Why? Why?! Why?!!

I had some parrot earrings, but they weren't the little model ones, they were cloisonne enamel.

good post BigJessie.

If you have read the above, I would like to take this opportunity to point out that I implied I would be serious. I said nothing that implied there would be accurate or intelligent analysis to follow.

There was no misrepresentation! Take that Sale of Goods Act away!