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The relationship section of MN makes my blood boil.

868 replies

aaaaaaaaargh · 30/01/2012 19:42

I will never set virtual foot in there again. I have imprints on my forehead of the keyboard from where I have been banging my head against it. It makes no SENSE!!! I have a jaw like Jacob Marley. There are so many threads like this:

OP: The other day I was a miserable cow, kids were stressing me. He came home to a complete shithole and then proceeded to clean up. I could sense he was a bit miffed at the state of the house so I told him to cook his own fucking dinner. He wanted to tell me about a problem with work, but I was pissed off and told him I wasn't interested, tell someone who gives a shit. He then shouted that I didn't give a toss about him and stomped upstairs. I can't live like this anymore.

Reply: He cleaned up?? How controlling is he? He then tried to make you listen to his work problems? What about YOUR problems?

Reply: He's emotionally abusive, but you know this don't you.

Reply: Definitely controlling, he doesn't care about what you want. He wanted to make you clean up and listen to his problems. Why the fuck are you cooking his dinner?

Reply: He shouted at you? This is abusive behaviour. You don't have to put up with this, you need to really think about how to proceed. Has he shouted before? This isn't normal.

Reply: Well actually, you weren't too pleasant to him. Perhaps you should look at YOUR behaviour.

Reply (to above poster): Great support there, this woman lives with an emotional abuser. Don't speak if you haven't got anything constructive to say. Don't listen to that poster OP.

Etc, etc....

I know that a lot of people in seriously abusive or violent situations have been helped in this section, and that that is an extremely good thing, before you point that out to me.

But some of the replies on other threads!!! Madness.

OP posts:
notfluffyatall · 02/02/2012 20:25

As far as I'm aware the whole thread was deleted..... Eventually.

aaaaaaargh · 02/02/2012 20:26

I just want to clarify a little bit, the points I have been trying to make on here:

Regarding the relationships forum....

I understand that women, and men, come to the board usually when they are in great need of others perspective and advice. Quite often they are at an extremely low ebb, particularly in the case of DV and rape. I absolutely do not question their need to do that, that is what the board is for, and it can be a valuable source of advice. People have said on this thread that they have benefitted enormously from the advice they have been given, and I absolutely don't dispute that. I also understand that people who respond to the OP's on the board do so because they care and want to help, and a lot of them have, as has been pointed out.

I started this thread because there were certain aspects of the advice being given that made me uncomfortable.

If someone is experiencing DV they are extremely vulnerable and living in fear then I don't feel this...

'he could easily have killed you, have you not seen the One Punch Can Kill campaign? are you prepared to leave your kids motherless?' Actual quote from the relationships board regarding DV.

...is helpful. The OP could take this reply in a number of ways..

A)She knows, she planning to go, she has support.

B)She's scared, doesn't have the means to leave, and is feeling that if he killed her, it would be her fault for leaving her children without a mother.

In this case you could argue that if she was mentally strong, then the comment will consolidate her thoughts and resolve. If she is mentally vulnerable then actually, an already frightened woman is now even more frightened, and being guilt-tripped by the very people she asked for help.

The thing is..we just don't know whether the OP is strong or not. Is she saying she is, but isn't? I have seen many quotes like the one above. Along the lines of 'Well you're not listening to us, so what's the point'. The point is, the OP wants to talk, not be judged if she doesn't follow advice.

I also feel annoyed that every DP/DH (on relationships) is emotionally abusive, a fuckwit or controlling. Sometimes, that is simply not true. The thread I linked to, then subsequently had removed, demonstrated this perfectly. Even when the OP herself admitted that she had effectively created the issue, she was STILL in the right, he was STILL emotionally abusive.

It does appear that men get extremely short shrift on MN. I was on a thread a couple of weeks ago when a man posted a problem and was eventually attacked because MN is his wife's 'space'. I simply cannot imagine that a woman would be attacked because her DH posted on here. This doesn't make me a misogynist, this means I believe in equality. Misandry exists on MN, it shouldn't be supported any more than misogyny. Does it matter that there is MORE mysogyny? Both should be eradicated.

BIWI · 02/02/2012 20:34

notfluffy - it is absolutely not the ethos of the place, and if you feel you are being bullied (or that anyone else is being bullied, for that matter) then you should report it.

AnyFucker · 02/02/2012 20:35

oP, I could tell you a few things about the man who posted in his wife's space that was never put on the thread

don't imagine what you see on the thread is always the whole story

aaaaaaargh · 02/02/2012 20:41

#oP, I could tell you a few things about the man who posted in his wife's space that was never put on the thread

don't imagine what you see on the thread is always the whole story

That's a fair point AF. But do you know that the poster who attacked him also knew the unknown backstory before she had a go?

But ok, I take your point.

AnyFucker · 02/02/2012 20:46

I don't know the poster who "attacked him" but I can tell you that he didn't post on MN without an agenda, and then continued with that agenda off board

now that behaviour is not confined to men, we know that after countless vampiric and needy posters have used MN to garner support form overly-trusting and kindly people who perhaps are not as cynical as some of us hard-nosers

but using his thread to illustrate what a bad time men get on MN is a mistake

the posters who engaged with him certainly ended up wishing they hadn't

MitchieInge · 02/02/2012 20:47

well the nice thing is here we are, all united in our quest to make our own and others' lives easier - we might disagree about how best to help people but that very friction does give a wide range of views and opinions

let's all keep up the good work!

aaaaaaargh · 02/02/2012 20:50

OK AF..I used a poor example and retract this part of my post.:

I was on a thread a couple of weeks ago when a man posted a problem and was eventually attacked because MN is his wife's 'space'. I simply cannot imagine that a woman would be attacked because her DH posted on here.

Thanks for pointing that out.

AnyFucker · 02/02/2012 20:53

fair enough, OP

btw, what did you post and then immediately retract on J4J's thread ?

aaaaaaargh · 02/02/2012 20:57

#btw, what did you post and then immediately retract on J4J's thread ?

I accidentally posted the big post I've just posted on here, on there.

Not good.

Sockrates · 02/02/2012 21:00

How can you mind other posters having an agenda when you also have one? Surely your real issue is that their agenda is different to yours?

AnyFucker · 02/02/2012 21:00

ah, easy mistake to make, have done similar myself

AnyFucker · 02/02/2012 21:02

it's ok, sockrates, I was addressing OP, and OP knows where I am coming from

aaaaaaargh · 02/02/2012 21:04

Was pretty mortified actually. MNHQ got rid of it very quickly, thank God.

notfluffyatall · 02/02/2012 21:06

sock

If I have an agenda it's to stop posters just making shit up. In the main I have never even offered the OP of a relationship thread advice, other than to ignore the hysterical responses occurring on her thread. All I ask is people don't project their own shit onto other people, don't read between the lines, don't assume, don't always tell the OP to leave him because he's controlling/abusive/gaslighting, when there is no evidence to suggest any of this.

Sockrates · 02/02/2012 21:09

So your agenda is to police the board because you don't approve of other posters advice?

notfluffyatall · 02/02/2012 21:10

Thats not what I said. See? Making shit up.

AnyFucker · 02/02/2012 21:11

it's not clear who are are talking to, sockrates, could you make it a bit more obvious please ?

MitchieInge · 02/02/2012 21:13

surely we all have the same agenda, to pass the time and (in the case of support boards like Relationships) make a positive difference - everyone who has managed to have their say on this thread will have no difficulty speaking out to support and encourage people on the relationship boards, if that is your thing. For some of you it sounds very close to your hearts.

Sockrates · 02/02/2012 21:15

Sorry AF, different timezone, rushing out soon, posting in shorthand. The agenda q was to fluffy and aaaaaargh, the response to fluffy.

Fluffy, you said you want to stop people posting hysterical, made up responses. Wanting to stop people is policing the boards, hysterical and made up is your opinion not a fact. So you want to police that with which you don't agree.

aaaaaaargh · 02/02/2012 21:17

#So your agenda is to police the board because you don't approve of other posters advice?

Ummm....No. Where do you get that from?

Sockrates · 02/02/2012 21:19

Ummmmm, from reading your and fluffy's posts.

aaaaaaargh · 02/02/2012 21:21

Ok. I'll let NotFluffy answer for herself, but as for my posts..I suggest you read them again Smile

notfluffyatall · 02/02/2012 21:21

I might not have anything of real value advice wise, I dint really feel it's appropriate to offer much more than platitudes when I don't know the whole story. The other party may well have a whole different take in the situation. My contribution has been attempting to stop posters who have got all carried away from making it any worse for the poor OP. I just think it's only fair to deal with the facts, doing anything else is unfair to both the OP and her partner.

I call it contribution, you call it policing, but considering I've only actually participated in 2 or 3 threads like that I can hardly be described as policing.

aaaaaaargh · 02/02/2012 21:22

Actually, don't bother, I'll tell you. Nowhere did I say that my agenda was to 'police' the board. Nowhere.

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