To be annoyed after visiting the Feminism section?

[Laquitar]

Sorry, i know its Christmas but i got annoyed.

How bizarre. Not seen it myself. In fact, I don't think i've ever seen the word "feminist" used in those threads. I'd really like to read some examples.

Sorry not seeing that SanTEEClaus. Really I'm not. That isn't me being awkward. I really can't see what you mean. Are you saying that regular posters in the feminist section are telling women who do most of the childcare they are against all things feminist? Because I have never seen that.

i have read a lot of threads where women who are doing alnost everything around the house, responsible for childcare at all times, even on weekends feel overwhelmed by it and reach out for support

i have seen other posters reassuring them that however you divide up household stuff, it shouldn't automatically fall to one person because of their gender, and that both partners should really get an equal amount of leisure time

there probably are women who freely choose to live like this, and are delighted by it, and it works brilliantly for them and their families. Great. It would be oppressive to assume that this is the best for everyone, especially in cases where it makes people frustrated and miserable

Well exactly chibi.

Sorry if I mistook the tone of your thread chibi. It is my instant defence mechanism kicking in that comes with venturing into the Feminism forum, as I have through experience come regard many of them as a bit of an abrasive, and hectoring bunch.

No hard feelings I hope.

Anyway, I am three hours ahead of the UK and my Boxing Day is properly underway now, so forgive me if I bail from this now. Happy Boxing Day xx

Op YABU to start a thread here about other threads/posters.

not at all

i am sorry your experience of the feminism board has been so negative

I think FellatioNelson nailed it with the education analogy upthread, and I think time and again others find exactly the same thing.

it is great that despite your many criticisms of that board you are undeterred from posting there, whatmeworry

i really think this is the way forward, any board is the product of who posts there, and as long as people are posting respectfully and in good faith, there is scope for differing opinions

i am assuming that we are all starting from a premise that sees women as fully human, and thus in need of/deserving of equal rights with men; if you don't agree, fruitful discussion may be more problematic

"abrasive and hectoring" are often, sadly, synonyms for " assertive and not being a doormat" when applied to women. Also "shrill". And "humourless" tends to mean "not finding funny what I find funny"

I gave up reading it ages ago, I think that it was when I was told that my posts were not wanted by someone who seemed to think that there was only one view. F* off exotic wasn't really the way to encourage me into the 'correct' view!

But if somebody told you to fuck off on AIBU or something you wouldn't never post there again and think thwt everyon was th same, would you? Just because there was a rude peron on the Feminist board doesn't mean they are all like that.

Sadly a great many, seeker. I decided that it just wasn't worth it. At least on AIBU you get some people with you, and even some private emails from people who won't post, but agree. Not on feminist-it is a witch hunt!

This thread was started by Laquitar and whenever I read her she seems a very fair and commonsense poster (unless I have missed some) and so I feel that she must have had bad experiences. Many have, there were at least 2 threads about the section around the time of the bloodbath that put me off for life!

I find feminism annoying. A bunch of (condescending) women telling other woman what is and isn't appropriate for them to do based on their ideals for the rest of us.

I'm actually in the middle of writing a blog about it and the basic gist of it is my not wanting to be dictated to by either man or woman. Have your own morality but don't try to apply it to every other woman out there. It's patronising. I'm all for equality but in my mind that means treating people like individuals be they man or woman. Standing up for your rights and handing out moral code are not one and the same and most feminists I've met don't know the difference. I find it all a bit embarrassing, especially when they act as spokespeople for our whole gender.

YABU.

I get my knickers in a twist about pink / blue toys. 3yo DD was given a 'Girls World' for Xmas, the height of her ambition is meant to be making peoples hair pretty. As we all know all the worlds most famous hairdressers are female..... oh wait. Winds me up that in nearly every career I can think of the men overtake women at some point.

And I hate envelopes being adressed to Mr & Mrs John Smith, horrible and old fashioned.

I'm very glad of the feminist section.

(Disclaimer, am in a bitch of a mood, tired and not very good at constructing arguments even when I think I'm right).

Well said Zombie. It is the condescending and patronising tone that gets me- and the idea that there is a 'correct way' of thinking. (generally their way!)
I find them bullies of the worst kind and when you mention it they do the classic bully tactic of denying it (in a way that puts you down as an idiot for even thinking it) or saying 'report it then'.

I find fuss about addressing envelopes not worth bothering about as they go in the bin. I also can't stand Ms-I am Mrs-so I am a lost cause!

YABU

I think the feminist section is the most interesting board on MN. It makes me think.

I am more amazed by the posters keen to line up to declare their anti feminist credentials.

I find the feminist section interesting, often because I don't agree with all the opinions on offer.
There are some inflexible and extreme posters on there, but point out a section on MN where there aren't. Comes of having the freedom to think and decide for yourself.

I thought that I was a feminist-until I started reading it and found the inflexible, and extreme posters. I will agree they are not alone, there are other topics that it is wise not to have an opinion about.

she wanted a wider audience to slag feminists off to. And i guess santa gave her her wish.

I expect that she wanted a full range of views and saw the pointlessness of posting on the feminist thread.

I know I'm a feminist, but also that there are certain posters that I am unlikely ever to come to an agreement with, or whose arguments I am never likely to respect. The fact that those opinions can be aired without fear of jail, mental hospital or ostracism in public shows that feminism has achieved a great deal in my lifetime, and hopefully will continue to push down barriers.
For which we need a wide range of opinions, and a number of different targets.