To be annoyed after visiting the Feminism section?

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Sorry, i know its Christmas but i got annoyed.

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Oh FFS. You are NOT entitled to comment on any aspect of education. Oh how I long for a two minute edit function.

Is there really a 'they' though Fell? I don't see it. I see posters who post all over Mumsnet including in the Feminism section.

It's the same as any other section I think. Some threadsa re fine and some make me want to tell the posters to grow the eff up sharpish. So... meh.

"Scuse the spelling errors, I got some lovely wine for Christmas.

What I am REALLY irritated about is not being able to find a good illegal link to watch the DA Christmas special!

I think there is a 'they' , yes. Although there are some posters who post there and everywhere else, there are a hardcore of posters on the F topic who are rarely seen outside it.

What Fellatio said.

Just because I enjoy taking care of my family and my home and enjoyed doing everything over Christmas does not mean I am not horrified by the way a lot if women in this world are still treated.

My mom was a part of the movement in the 60s and she's horrified that the whole point of the movement, to give women choices, has evaporated into 'if you do X Y or Z' you are not a feminist.

I agree that there are some noticeable names in the Feminism section - women who post there often and hold strong opinions, but they tend to be heavy usage Mumsnetters anyway (sounds slightly menstrual ) who are generally noticeable in Active Conversations.

"heavy usage Mumsnetters"

That's so polite...

'I would urge anyone who cares about this to get onto the Guardian comment thread and talk, give your own experiences, encourage other women, participate positively and in solidarity. This is a hugely important article and it's all about us and our place and space. Don't let the derailers and trolls dominate!'

As an example (as I have no doubt someone will soon ask me to provide one) this was the last paragraph by an OP recently, when she linked to an article about a proportional imbalance in the representation of women in the media and in the public eye generally.

I read the larticle and found it interesting and good in parts, but flawed in its logic in others, and I had genuine questions. I was all set to post until I read the last paragraph, and thought 'What is the point?'

The whole paragraph, but particularly the last sentence may as well read 'If you are even thinking of trying to turn this into an interesting debate rather than just agreeing with us like obedient sheep, then don't bother, because I have sent the war cry out to my comrades and we will stand together and crush you, you thick woman-hating infidels'

Wow

i have no idea what the context of your quoted paragraph is, but it didn't make me think it was calling other people thick woman hating infidels

that is really quite a lot of subtext to read in to it

I guess the rest of the post must have made your inference clear - could you possibly link to that thread?

I would imagine it's the part about 'derailers and trolls' that gave Fellatio that impression. I think it certainly implies that if you think the article had some good points, don't say so as we'll crush you.

OK, I am being a touch tongue in cheek there, (didn't someone upthread say that they have no sense of humour or irony? ) but it is clear to me that anything other than a wholly positive critique of the article, would be seen as misogynist trolling or derailing, and therefore unwelcome. And that is my experience of reading most threads on feminism where someone dares to question anything, or offer a less black and white point of view.

The content/theme of the thread is pretty irrelevant really. It's the comment in the OP I objected to, and it could have been applied to any number of threads.

God, I hate this...

"We don't need Feminsim or Feminists because everything's ok now."

Except it isn't, is it? It's not ok for all women in the First World, never mind the rest of it.

As has been pointed out already, there are different views within Feminism - just as there are in any other political movement or belief. It doesn't mean that because you disagree with statements by some members of a movement that everything they're trying to achieve is worthless of needs to be treated with disdain.

Would any of you like to have no ownership of your own money, home or, in fact, body?

Sounds to me as if the op wanted to make sure that derailed and trolls didn't dominate. But then I'm not gifted with psychic powers, so can't second guess the posters inner thoughts.

Oh

I read the deraillers and trolls as being some posters on the guardian's comment page for their in-house article

I know there are some guardian articles i don't read comments for as they can be really quite shocklingly hateful

still, is it a bit of a leap from 'derailler' to 'thick woman hating infidel'?

i guess i feel a bit thick, not seeing the apparently obvious link as readily as others

are there other similar words or phrases which are also loaded with inflammatory meanings? Could you list them? This is fascinating to me

Tia

Have today's Passive Aggressive Crown chibi.

Anyway. it's Boxing Day and I'm off.

gosh that is a bit snarky, are you ok?

still, given how rubbish i am at detecting these hidden messages, it's probably for the best that you were so blunt

best wishes for a festive boxing day

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'I know exactly what you mean and YANBU. I find some of their threads helpful, insightful, educative and fascinating, but it is almost always spoilt by threads that make my eyes roll so far back in may head it's a wonder I can read them at all.'

I agree with FN, up to a point, because what you write is pretty much what happens on a lot of different sites I go on that are on emotive topics, and is how argument and debate occur.
The threads that make me are also interesting, because I then have to think of exactly why I feel a particular line or philosophy is so unhinged. There are some posters that I am unlikely ever to agree with on details or approach to an issue.
But I often think without posting, because I don't feel like an argument, but I do think.
Even go and read something I wouldn't have done sometimes. Consider an issue that hadn't occurred to me before. I may still disagree with a poster wholeheartedly, but it has improved the quality of my argument for disagreement.
So, I think the Feminist section is fascinating and necessary, even if I disagree with a lot of what is said, it is important in my eyes that the thoughts are expressed. Sometimes I even stop lurking and post a different opinion.

belle I don't think anyone is saying we don't need feminists or to work towards more rights for women. There is still tons of work to be done.

I know what I am saying is that there are many many kinds of feminists and not all of us feel oppressed by taking care of our children and our homes. And apparently that makes us 'non-feminists.' No, it makes us have different choices and priorities.

And that's the point of feminism.

To be annoyed after visiting the Feminism section?

Par for the course, thats why its so poorly trafficked - many of the issues are debated on AIBU anyway.

Would anyone care to provide a link to someone saying that choosing to take care of children makes you a "non-feminist"?

There's no need to. Read any thread about Christmas and who did what and who looks after the children at night and the reactions when it is mostly the mother. No matter if the mother works or not or if the father works or not or what have you.

There will always be someone, and this is not even in feminism, implying a woman who does most of the child care is oppressed and against all things feminist.

Really, just pick any thread on MN.