in asking your opinions about this news story ( girl attacked by 2 year old playmate)

[Crazyfatmamma]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2077039/Katie-Ann-Guttridge-3-beaten-black-blue-2-year-old-Leicester-nursery.html

Sorry daily mail article :)

whackamole - I agree

Also, I do understand that when your child is hurt by another child it is very very upsetting. And those injuries are bad - I remember it well - DS1 used to get quite routinely bitten.

But many of us who are good parents, where there is no domestic violence or any SN, do have children who bite, push etc. It's what children who want things, are impulsive, are trying to make contact without having any social skills, and are not very verbal sometimes do. It came as a great shock to me that one of mine was like this.

Yes, it should be investigated, but there is no need for hysteria

pagwatch absence make the heart grow fonder, had to take dd1 out for three months - going back in after a break i couldn't believe the amount of noise and movement going on.

Then went into dd2 (18 months) nursery room and it was a tranquil oasis of calm and dolls tea parties

X post thisis - I agree with that. Watch like a hawk and remove if necessary. Fortunately, mine was not bad at playgroup. Soft Play Centres set him off, and hunger, so we had to be vigilant and leave if he was starting to lose it.

My child hit and attacked other children at this age. He was happy and well cared for and there seemed no reason for it, i just had to watch him like a hawk. He had grown out of it by about 3 and is now a very polite sociable child so it isn't always the case that they are disturbed and being hit or seeing violence at home etc.

The daily mail article is vile as though they want this 2 yr old brought to account and punished to satisfy the public.

And one of the commentators thinks a toddler should be beaten unconscious ...

@ timeforabiscuit

It sounds like toy story 3...

P.S pag - Bran is on the Clarke Gable thread, if you want to go and agree with her ....

Oh no. Must read more carefully. It was Brando

Ignore me.

Good lord - haven't read the Mail comments yet - not sure if I should or not.

I'm really starting to feel sorry for the little girl who was the perpetrator - at 2 years old she obviously has no comprehension of what she is doing and needs some sort of investigation and help.

I can see it now - vigilante Mail readers shouting at the poor little thing in the street .

...except with higher fees and I suspect they are more respectful of the toys than eachother

I would have been really upset if my child came home from nursery looking like that. The whole situation sounds bizarre, I would not care about expelling the other child I would be removing mine as the care appears to be inadequate.

I dont think that the journalists or the parents bitching are helping either.

Oh I haven't agreed with Bran for aaaages..

Several of the detailed incidents are quite petty, well within the realm of normal toddler misbehaviour & levels of aggression.
I think all the little children involved have been let down very badly.

The "chucky" thing makes me feel sick.

its awful how can that happen in a nursery im really shocked. but more inportant why is the child harming other children i wonder if this has been going on in the childs home and the mother or other people have attacked the child whos hitting out social service should get involved it dosent seem right to me.

My DS bit another child whilst at preschool.
Unfortunately he was a "biter" the Preschool were aware of this and yet still he managed to bite another child quite badly whilst under their supervision. I was mortified, but also really pissed off that the pre school had basically watched him bite someone (by their own admission).
Straight after the incident, they immediately contacted the bitees parents for him to go to hospital for a tetanus jab and then called me to say that DS was immediately excluded.
I am quite amazed that the Daily Mail has discovered this level of information about pre school children and the nursery setting, given the supposed level of privacy that is inherant in those environments.
I was not allowed to be told who DS had bitten, and yet the DM has information about accident books and "prior incidents"

I used to work in a nursery for 4 years. Yes, kids can get hurt in a blink of an eye. We had a biter who was quick as a flash and no matter how quick we were, he was faster unless someone was right by him. So, we had someone right next to him at times we knew he was likely to get frustrated and bite. The child in the article should have been more closely supervised. The little girl's injuries don't look like they happened as quickly as some unpreventable incidents do. Where were the staff?

Toddlers lash out. They're not evil. I've often found, in cases where a small child is often doing it and roughly, there are issues, either at home or SEN.

this story has made me id be ashamed to work there and call myself a nursey nurse teacher.

DaveGrohlsgirl a tetanus bite is standard for a human bite where the skin has been broken ie pierced, grazed or fully punctured. Human mouths carry so much bacteria you'd be horrified. So don't take it personally that the child was sent for one.

Ds2 was bitten at pre school a few weeks back. Luckily he was wearing jogging bottoms but he was still left with a full set of teeth marks on the top of his knee, from what I can gather the biter just leant forwrds and sunk his teeth in. Me, being the type of mother I am and knowing ds2 can be boisterous, questioned the pre school on 2 seperate occassions to ensure ds2 had not done anything to instigate the bite, he had not. The pre school told me they had spoken with the child concerned and he had been referred to behaviour support. Since then I have witnessed 2 occassions when this child (ds2 named him, not the pre school) has hit out at other children, on one occassion a staff member had just stopped him hitting a child and the moment her back was turned he went for the child again and I think this time actually hit the child.

The 'attack' at the nursery in the article sounds awful but my concern would be more to do with the staff than the child, as where were the staff durng this incident? The other incidents on there own would not worry me, these things happen with children but all of them together suggest a lack of supervision for a child who clearly needs extra support to learn boundaries.

my dn would have been capable of inflicting those injuries on another child at 2 with no supervision, he is now a very placid gentle and respectfull 5 year old.

This reminds me of an another article I once read about a 2 yearold hitting his trin sister with a hammer and fracturing her scull when left unsupervised in a car when the father whent to pay for petrol. Raised questions about a 2 year old motive there was no motive other than to bob sister it could have been a plastic hammer for all he would understand the difference between the damage of a hammer, at 2 they have absolutly no concept of injuring someone, just hurting or making someone cry.

definatly the adults to blame for lack of supervision.

The most outrageous thing about this entire incident is that it has been plastered across the national newspapers.

The child is 2 and she is being demonised in the press. If she was a teenager and going through the court system as a result of an incident like this she would get much better protection from identification than she has been given by the adults around her and the media.

The Daily Mail should be ashamed of themselves.

The article refers to 'all the childminders being in the other room drinking cups of coffee' or words to that effect - I suspect the term 'childminder' is being used carelessly and inaccurately, since they are in fact nursery/preschool staff and presumably not a band of childminders. It makes me wonder whether the mother of the 2yo is actually a childminder as opposed to a casual member of their nursery staff.

If she is a childminder, her own child would still count towards her numbers even while in nursery care (I'm a CM and it has always worked that way as far as I know)

Haven't read the whole thread, but as pretty much every post on the front page has been slating the Daily Mail for reporting the story, can I bring your attention to the fact it's actually a Leicester Mercury story:

http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/Girl-3-injured-pre-school/story-14180414-detail/story.html

The fact The Sun and the Huffington Post have also run it at almost exactly the same time as the Mail suggests the nationals are using agency copy (probably PA).

If the child is frequently inflicting serious injuries on other children, then I would be wondering what is going on in the home. It sounds like hismbehavious is going beyond normal 2year old mouthy/biting behaviour.

He's either got special needs (but surely the nursery would have twigged), or he is mimicing violence in the home.

he's a she, highlander.

and the 'frequent' attacks have included putting two lego blocks together and pinching a finger.

serious indeed.

not to say this one isn't, but the whole 'history' of desperate and evil chucky child appears to have been blown out of all proportion by both the dm and the pouting mother. what a surprise.

this incident is clearly out of the ordinary. the others look to have been perfectly normal behaviour witnessed every day in a nursery near you. and hyped up to cause outrage.