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in asking your opinions about this news story ( girl attacked by 2 year old playmate)

186 replies

Crazyfatmamma · 21/12/2011 15:27

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2077039/Katie-Ann-Guttridge-3-beaten-black-blue-2-year-old-Leicester-nursery.html

Sorry daily mail article :)

OP posts:
MrsRhettButler · 21/12/2011 19:02

Free 15 hours isn't until dc are 3 yo. She must be choosing to put her in nursery.

sozzledchops · 21/12/2011 19:06

Highlander, why would it have to be violence at home or sn? These things can just be phases though have to be dealt with of course.

Teaandchristmascakeplease · 21/12/2011 19:07

hassledge your comment gives me hope - "My youngest was the monster violent 2 year old from hell with other children (never at home). I did zero-tolerance, we went home from wherever the moment he picked a fight - made no difference. He just grew out of it - he's lovely now"

My son now almost 3 goes to pre school 2 mornings a week and "can" bite in certain stressful situations with other children and has a wicked temper and like you I do the above and am consistent. I do worry Sad But he would never ever go to the extreme on those photos.

That poor girl though, I hope she does get the help and support she needs now though and that the pre school get their act together. My DS is supported by the Senco in the setting and with the ratios and planned activities/ routine he is adjusting and getting better all the time

HecateGoddessOfTwelfthNight · 21/12/2011 19:09

That poor child. This is a total failure in the duty of care that the nursery owes to the children. How the holy hell did a child manage to attack a total of eleven children? And where the hell was the supervision while this and the other incidents were happening?

I think that serious questions should be asked of that nursery. They should be investigated because clearly they are negligent here.

I also think that a two year old who is displaying extremely aggressive behaviour needs assessing. There is clearly an issue there.

OriginalJamie · 21/12/2011 19:12

Tea - well my "Chucky" is now 8, and has excellent behaviour at school and (mostly) at home. So despair not.

thisisyesterday · 21/12/2011 19:17

"Free 15 hours isn't until dc are 3 yo. She must be choosing to put her in nursery."

yes but a lot round here will take them from 2yr 9 months and you just pay until their funding comes in.
if you don't do this then they don't always have places, esp if their birthday is mid-year...

Teaandchristmascakeplease · 21/12/2011 19:18

Thanks Jamie Smile

Still cannot believe she's nicknamed "Chucky" what a horrid nickname. Completely wrong to label a child as that Sad She needs help and support.

Liluri · 21/12/2011 19:21

What a hideous witch hunt of a two year old child and her family.

A nickname, a label and little chance of ever being accepted into the community.

At two years old.

She is a baby, ffs.

The family need support, and access to specialist help for a little girl that clearly has complex behavioural needs.

Support - not a fucking DM hack on their doorstep.

And someone at that nursery needs a rocket up their arse a: for allowing such young children to play unsupervised and b: for allowing a copy of their accident book to end up in the national press.

Disgraceful!

sozzledchops · 21/12/2011 19:39

Yip. My own little chucky is now a well behaved 9 yr old whose teachers have all commented on his politeness and good behaviour. It usually does pass (unless there are underlying issues)though can be very difficult at the time and I did ask for help from my HV who used to come to sit and chat and drink tea in the garden.

saladsandwich · 21/12/2011 19:54

i don't know how the parents could know it was this girl who was beating up their kids. ds is a little swine at times, he has his problems but he isnt a biter thank goodness. the staff should be watching her if she is so bad, i feel that even the worst nursery would shadow a child who was so bad.

i just really feel for that little 2 year old right now. ds has been bitten really really badly so i have sympathy there but no way would i go to a paper and shoot my mouth off about a 2 year old, im guessing the parent doesn't want to be dragged into all the media stuff, i know i wouldn't so no one knows the full story just a few minor incidents imo and 1 serious one.

saladsandwich · 21/12/2011 20:00

just read the original article www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/Girl-3-injured-pre-school/story-14180414-detail/story.html think it speaks volumes that te parents contacted police and they advised medical advise and not the other way round x

OriginalJamie · 21/12/2011 20:03

Mum is having her 15 minutes of fame.

breatheslowly · 21/12/2011 20:05

Out of curiosity - those of you who describe your "own little chucky". Did they ever do that much damage to a child or require them to be taken to A&E? I assume that the difference is the supervision your children had and the child at this nursery.

crashdoll · 21/12/2011 20:05

Most of the "Chucky" kids I looked after at nursery are perfectly, normal, mild mannered older children.

I don't see how this made news. Breaking news: young child injures another child! Happens every day. Although I still maintain the nursery should have done more.

OriginalJamie · 21/12/2011 20:07

breathe - yes. Mine did bite his brother and break the skin, but it only happened a couple of times at nursery and was nipped in the bud. I can see how, if not prevented, or stopped while it was happening, a 2 year old could cause such injury

OriginalJamie · 21/12/2011 20:12

Although I can't imagine him hitting someone in a concerted way. His was more smash and grab

sozzledchops · 21/12/2011 20:17

Mine too, would lash out, throw things, try and throttle but I was usually watching to try and intervene. He was never out of my sight really.

underbeneathsies · 21/12/2011 20:22

I'd sue the creche for negligence. Obv. the hitting child isn't to 'blame'. But there is a 2 yo victim.
I wonder is there any video footage to say what really happened, and where were the creche workers?

StickyFloor · 21/12/2011 20:27

Slightly different I know, but I have now threatened my children's primary school with going to the press if they don't do something about one of the y3 boys who is terrorising the other kids.

Over the last 18 months he has hit / kicked / scratched etc my child approx once a week and I know approx half a doezn other mums who say the same about their kids too. The child has been diagnosed with SN behavioural problems but that was over a year ago and there is still no 1-2-1 or speciic support in place for him. He is a danger to other children and the school cannot prevent him, or assure other parents that their children are safe especially as he is getting bigger and stronger.

They punish him after each incident but still there is nothing in place to prevent the violence or protect the other kids.

I know his homelife is not great and he clearly has behavioural problems beyond his control so I am not simply out to get him because I think he is bad - but my kids and the other kids have a right to be safe in school and they honestly are not now.

I have told the HT that having complained to her formally and got nowhere if it continues in the New Year I will then go to the Governors, LA, OFSTED and ultimately the press. I don't want 15 minutes of fame, I want them to support a violent and deeply troubled child and in doing so protect the other kids in the school too. If the school isn't capable of doing that then he should be excluded and placed in a school with more resources to control and support him.

saladsandwich · 21/12/2011 20:34

my problem with reporting it to press is the headline would be child out of control, evil child ect ect rather than crap school fails to protect children from sen child

Ripeberry · 21/12/2011 20:39

What's all this rubbish about violence in the home? Little children who are not taught restraint can be right little monsters to each other and adults.
The nursery is at fault. Those children should have been supervised. Also the child might have some kind of 'problem' when socialising with others.

StickyFloor · 21/12/2011 20:43

Good point salad, but it might be the kick up the bum needed to resolve the situation. When all else fails it would be a last desperate measure in my case.

ArthurPewty · 21/12/2011 20:48

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lborolass · 21/12/2011 20:55

I'm not sure how relevant this is but this setting isn't a nursery, it would appear to be a local village playgroup. Near me all children go to the local playgroup from age 2, I don't know why people are being judgemental about this aspect of the story. I'm also a bit sceptical about 8 staff drinking tea at the same time.

StickyFloor · 21/12/2011 20:57

Leonie, sadly not all parents have such a great attitude, and plenty of school settings don't have a clue either. Well done to you for working hard to turn things around for dd and teach her the consequences of her actions at a young age.

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