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in asking your opinions about this news story ( girl attacked by 2 year old playmate)

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Crazyfatmamma · 21/12/2011 15:27

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2077039/Katie-Ann-Guttridge-3-beaten-black-blue-2-year-old-Leicester-nursery.html

Sorry daily mail article :)

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MrsBradleyCooper · 21/12/2011 16:06

In their accident book photo it says that they were told by another child that she was crying when this had happened..... I'd guess she was crying pretty loudly - where the hell were they?? Shocking.

And who called the police - what the hell were they going to do?

TheMonster · 21/12/2011 16:06

The article says 'An injury form filled out by the nursery on the day of the attack stated: 'Another child told me Katie was crying'

So the staff know what the girl is like and left her unsupervised with other children. I'd be taking my child out of that place, even if 'Chucky' goes.

GlueSticksEverywhere · 21/12/2011 16:12

When my DD was at nursery there was a boy who was a bit like this (although not as extreme). After a couple of incidents (I was told it would hurry it up if parents complained which I did) they were able to get in extra help, one-on-one for the boy. Helped massively, they were able to protect the other children whilst teaching this boy how to behave and have him assessed etc.

Timeforabiscuit · 21/12/2011 16:14

Out of interest do any of you currently have preschool aged children?

I think any nursery would struggle to provide complete 1:1 supervision for any child -

Doyouthinktheysaurus · 21/12/2011 16:15

I agree that the anger should be directed at the Nursery, not a 2 year old child. The instigator clearly has some issues and the children should be better supervised. That attack must have taken some time, adults should have intervened before a 2 year old was able to inflict that level of injury.

I hate the tone of the article, and really can't get up much sympathy for the mum going to the press. If it were my child though, I would be incredibly angry and taking it further with ofsted, as well as removing my child immediately.

Timeforabiscuit · 21/12/2011 16:15

*Glue - knew there must be something available, doesn't say in the article whether this happened for the girl does it?

Moominsarescary · 21/12/2011 16:18

glue we had a similar situation when ds1 was younger, the little boy was assessed in the end and was given one to one support, my son still has a scar where he was scratched with a piece of bark and he's nearly 17

MrsBradleyCooper · 21/12/2011 16:19

Yes I have a preschool aged child.

And he has been hit by another child in an incident that wasn't witnessed - however as soon as they heard him start to cry they looked round.

To have to be told that she was crying by another child makes me think that they weren't even in the vicinity.

TimothyClaypoleLover · 21/12/2011 16:19

Timeforabiscuit - my DD is 19 months and goes to nursery where there is one carer for 2 children and they are always hot on ensuring ratios are correct if one carer has to leave the room for example.

GlueSticksEverywhere · 21/12/2011 16:22

Timeforabiscuit No it doesn't say (DM probably wouldn't print something like that anyway, not sensationalist enough!), I would imagine the one-on-one help will come quickly now though!

Moominsarescary 17 years! That's shocking!

It does sound as though the nursery should have sorted this out already, but I just don't see what the mother of the attacked child hopes to achieve by going to the papers.

GlueSticksEverywhere · 21/12/2011 16:22

I have one just left nursery and one just started.

Pagwatch · 21/12/2011 16:24

You don't need one to one help to avoid the situation where you don't notice a child has been hurt until after another child comes to tell you.

difficulttimes · 21/12/2011 16:25

Am I the only person wondering how a 2 year old got so violent!

Pagwatch · 21/12/2011 16:25

I don't have a child at nursery so clearly I have no fucking clue.

TimothyClaypoleLover · 21/12/2011 16:27

Maybe the 2 year old is so violent because she is not happy at being palmed off to nursery whilst her mother looks after other people's kids.

Timeforabiscuit · 21/12/2011 16:27

mine is hot on ratios too Sad didn't stop it happening once though, from what i've seen the nursery train the kids to act as look outs at let them know if anyone is upset - so I don't think it's unusual in the day to day running of a nursery.

breatheslowly · 21/12/2011 16:28

If my DD came back from nursery looking like that (leaving aside the DM hysteria) she wouldn't be going back.

Hassledge · 21/12/2011 16:29

The "chucky" thing is just vile - as are the insinuations that because the 2 year old's mother is a local CM the nursery are somehow allowing this to happen. But yes, the nursery needs to get its act together pronto.

My youngest was the monster violent 2 year old from hell with other children (never at home). I did zero-tolerance, we went home from wherever the moment he picked a fight - made no difference. He just grew out of it - he's lovely now.

OriginalJamie · 21/12/2011 16:29

Hmm, not sure about that, Timothy. Childminders used to bring children to the playgroup my DSs attended. Not their own, but the principle is the same. The mum might not be looking after any children while her DD is at playgroup. She might be having a rest. She might want her child to take part in a group.

Timeforabiscuit · 21/12/2011 16:31

pagwatch only to underline that a nursery can be quite a different environment so I can quite see how squabbles, screeching, requests for toilet and playing could drown out a distressed child.

lisaro · 21/12/2011 16:31

I have to say that as a parent I wouldn't send my child to the childminding mother who 'wants no more to do with it'.

OriginalJamie · 21/12/2011 16:31

One of mine was also violent at this age. It was very hard as a parent. He also grew out of it, and it was prevented/managed well by playgroup, and by me (natch)

TimothyClaypoleLover · 21/12/2011 16:32

Just a thought as someone suggested that mother did not want to ruin her childminding business by having a violent child at home. Total speculation though, just trying to work out why a 2 year old would be so violent.

OriginalJamie · 21/12/2011 16:33

lisar - I said upthread that she might mean that she wanted to not talk to a National Newspaper about it. I wouldn't. If indeed she even said that. This is the DM.

Methe · 21/12/2011 16:33

Christ can you imagine if it was your child who had done that, you'd be gutted wouldn't you :(

Some children are too agressive to be in mainstream education but does that sort of violence start so young? I suppose the little girl must be bloody hard work if her CM mother has put her in full time nursery..

I have a almost 3 year old and I would be beyond furious if something like this happened to him, but at the nursery and possibly the childs parents, not the child. And i could no way go to the DM about it because, well, i'm not a massive cunt. What one earth does going to the papers achieve? A bit of money for Christmas I suppose..

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