in asking your opinions about this news story ( girl attacked by 2 year old playmate)

[Crazyfatmamma]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2077039/Katie-Ann-Guttridge-3-beaten-black-blue-2-year-old-Leicester-nursery.html

Sorry daily mail article :)

skybluepearl the nursery are responsible for all the injusries. And chuckys mother must be really vile - poor kid.

How the hell do you know?! Do you believe everything you read? Especially in the Daily Mail? How do you know what's going on with that child, her family and her mothers attidude towards it all. Do you have children? Are they all and always have been perfect. No SN I am assuming or bahvioural difficulties?

To just read something in a paper and not think about aspects of it any further, and to assume it is all correct in the way the newspaper wants you to think it is, without considering that some of it may be inflamatory, misleading or may have misquoted people is just lazy. Use you brain and think for a moment!

I expect 'Chuckys' mother feel pretty vile at the moment. Can you imagine your child going though a phase and it being all over the media.. THINK about how that must feel!

The more I think about this the more disgusted I am at A, the fact this has been in the press and b, the way the childs mother ( note not the father!) has been vilified.

I am actually quite angry about it.

pigletmania Though the mother is not responsible for the incidents, if that is her attitude as documented in the Mail, its a pretty don't care one to take imo, and she should be seeking help for her dd.

How do you know she is not seeking help? What do you know about her? Why do you believe the quote in the Daily Mail of all places?!

Can you also not see (as already pointed out by many posters but seemingly ignored by you) that she might not have meant the quote the way it is portrayed? Perhaps she just meant that she wanted nothing to do with the newspaper article and the inevitable hysteria from people who can't think for themselves after reading such an article. People who think if something is allowed to be printed onto paper then it must be FACT!

Aye, we all know the Daily Mail is the absolute paragon of truth and good reporting. It's not sensationalist at all is it!

gluestick,
the thread is asking us our opinions based on the article, so it is fair enough if people give their opinions based on the article.
If the article is correct, and the child is abusing others to this extent, then her parents should be told not to bring her back until the issues are sorted out, and the parents should be seeking help for their child not putting her into nursery knowing she is abusing other children. These things do not magically get better, the parents have to be pro-active otherwise she will grow up a friendless unhappy child, and get worse and worse. And if it is true the mother is a CM then I do find it odd she puts her into a nursery rather than look after her alongside her mindees - it makes me think that either the mother knows her child might be violent towards her mindees, or that the behavioural issues started because the child felt rejected and jealous of the other children.

Of course the article could be a load of rubbish, and this was one isolated incident, and the other mothers are just bullies (I cannot imagien standing at the school gate sis a pleasane t experience either way). The paper said they tried to contact the mother, which meant either her name or number, or both were given out which surely is at best unethical and at worst illegal. If the mother of the child attacked has lied about the situation to the press and given them the other womans name and number, then surely she could be guilty of slander. I also find it odd that all the parents apparently dislike this cvhild, yet are happy to leave their children there and just whine she shoudl be excluded. If I was frightened for my child I would remove her first, not send them back believing them to be at risk.

I take the full paragraph ("When confronted by journalists, the mother of the violent girl refused to discuss her child's behaviour, saying only: 'My daughter is two years old. I want nothing more to do with this.'")
as saying, "I want nothing tio do with this trash journalism and staged witch hunt, because it's ridiculous and grossly unfair to my daughter who is only two years old.

Eminently reasonable, I would have thought.

I think that the fact that the mother would go to the DM in the first place would lead me to question quite a lot about her.

And the fact that it's in the DM, of all papers, leads me to question quite a lot about the story

CrazyFATMama = Researcher on the Jeremy Vine show, perchance?

Interesting that Sky News are saying the mother of the injured child is not blaming the 2 year old, but laying the blame firmly at the nursery's door.
One of the commentators makes the point that there's no evidence in the accident book to show it's the same child.

"One of the commentators makes the point that there's no evidence in the accident book to show it's the same child."

I was just coming on here to point that out.

My 2yr old dd1 was throttled by a 3yr old (big stocky girl) who held her face down in the dirt (they were playing in the garden) and she nearly passed out, dd1 had bruises all round her neck for days.

Turns out this little girl was being abused and 6 years later is now in care.

i'm not saying all violent children are being abused, far from it, my own ds was a biter but there is obviously something not right with this 2yr old and I definetely think the little girl needs to be excluded so she can get the help she needs in a setting that can deal with her problems

I didn't think they were supposed to tell you which child it was in situations like this, years ago when ds1 bit a child at playschool one of the nn told the mother that it was my son who did it, she started screaming in his face as my child cried and apologised ( he was 22 months old at the time)

The nn was trying to explain to the mother that her child was pinching mine at the time and the bruise on my child's face was caused by her child hitting him with a toy the week before

She got into trouble with the owner of the play group for naming children

You aren't mean to tell, but by the time they get a bit older the children can tell you themselves. DD has been bitten a couple of times at nursery and I have no idea who did it (she put her finger in the other child's mouth both times, so I don't even think the child is a biter). On the other hand DN came home with a perfectly formed bite mark and was very clearly able to tell you who did it and I don't think she was 2 yet.

If I'd asked ds2 at that age he'd have said ds1, even if ds1 wasn't there at the time. He loved claiming his brother.

Blaiming not claiming

My nans opinion when she read this, they should have never have banned slapping!! my retort, nan that child cold possibly have a whole range of issues, and needs to be assessed, also may benefit if child isn't with lots of children and more supervised, she may even be getting abused. the nursery are in the wrong because where the hell are they when this kid was bitten????

I dont understand the posters who honestly belive this child is abused or damaged, there have been plenty of posters who have also said that they have or know perfectly well looked after and well rounded children who at 2 could inflict these injuries with lack of supervision. I feel sorry for mother and child.

TheScaryJessie Yes, they did. She thought it would be great to watch, apparently. Teach her "to learn fear".

OMG who said that? Someone on this thread or in the article?

Oh that poor little girls face. I don't suppose the other childs mother feels great about this either.

The nursery must take a large amount of the 'blame' here. What was going on whilst this child was bring hurt??

kelly2000 Thu 22-Dec-11 11:04:02

You first paragraph of that post is judgey judgey judgey!

kelly2000 then her parents should be told not to bring her back until the issues are sorted out, and the parents should be seeking help for their child not putting her into nursery knowing she is abusing other children.

Abusing! A TWO YEAR OLD!

I don't agree with you or any of the others suggesting the child should be excluded. As I mentioned earlier there was a child like this at my dcs nursery and with one-on-one support they are doing great. They needed more individual attention to learn how to behave towards other children and whilst their SN were identified and could be addressed. Removing that child would solve what exactly? What help would the child get then?

Just saw this on the news AGAIN and having lurked quietly yesterday I am too horrified not to say something today. Not with the parents of the two year old responsible for this but with the media and the mother of the toddler who was hurt although I do feel sympathy for the little girl injured.

I am the mother of a six year old with sen who could have done something similiar at the same age and did hurt someone recently. At two signs of his condition were showing but it took four years of fighting to get it recognised. Its a fucking awful experience. I have been to parenting classes,work with the school closely, he is medicated and having treatment and this still occured. I spoke to the boy in questions mother, apologised and we went to the school together to ensure for both boys sake and safety that better supervision was put in place to avoid it happening again. Had she gone to the press I would not even have hesitated to close ranks and would have been exactly the same as the mother in the DM piece.

The chucky label is a vile, awful thing to say about a child and whilst you and I dont know who this mother is I guarantee you everyone in that very small community will and that child will be labelled and judged, as will its mother for the rest of its time there. I come from a small village so I know exactly what it can be like. I am impressed that the mother has kept quiet and acted with such dignity in the face of what must be a humiliating, degrading and infuriating experience.

The mother of the toddler however, plastered in slap, pouting for the camera with two bewildered looking kids at her side strikes me as more interested in herself then reperation for the kids. There is a LOT she could have done that didnt mean prostrating herself and a two year old BABY all over the fucking national press. I think its horrific, attention seeking shit and whilst the nursery has to ask themselves questions and clearly improve one hell of a lot and the mother of the two year old is probably going to need help to deal with how she feels and deals with this situation in the future, that woman should be ashamed of herself for using an issue between two toddlers to push herself into the spotlight in this way. DISGUSTING and I dont care who flames me for it.

And for those of you stating clearly the child is abused or the mother is awful, I have a degree, dont smoke, have been to every known parenting class, councelling myself, am not domestically abused, never smack, feed him a balanced diet and work every single day to keep him stable and balanced. I regularly have to deal with ignorance, judgement and predjudice over who and how he is and its muppets like you who make it worse. Educate yourself and open your eyes a bit before you make such damaging statements about a woman you know absolutely nothing about.

GlueSticksEverywhere

Ah, sorry I wasn't clear. It was a commenter below the line on the Daily Mail article. They've since taken that comment down, although it had obviously made it through their pre-moderation process in the first place. While it was up, it got four people approving of it...

There's still a hell of a lot of weird, unreasonable comments left up there, though.

i would be utterly pissed off if my child had been mauled by a dog then someone whose child had been bitten by a child likened it to the same. my friends neice was mauled by a dog, not nice at all.

"My son is four and he came back from the pre-school shaking and sobbing because the little girl had threatened to beat him up with a toy brick if he didn't give her a book he was reading."

Right? A two year old threatening with that level of clarity? In my experience I have never seen a two year old that had any idea of that kind of manipulative behaviour!!! They strike first, ask questions later bless 'em !!