to think that this was ridiculous...

[MeltedAdventCalendarChocolates]

Sure he probably was lying. Maybe he wasn't and should have had the maturity to handle it differently, who knows, but for a random stranger to handle this KID in this way is horrific!

AIBU?

Him

And Big Man is a very common expression in Scotland.

I think they should have called the Transport Police to deal with it to, no-one else should have got involved and certainly shouldn't have touched him. Violence didn't need to be used, if I had been the mum with the three kids at the table I would have been furious as it was probably very frightening for them.

The teenager knew he was in the wrong but perhaps the bolshy attitude was bravado in fear at knowing he didn't have the money and worried about being thrown off. If they'd even told him to get off and they would deal with it at the ticket office or make sure he could contact someone who could sort a ticket for him.

I personally would hate to think of my sons being dealt with like this when they're older (and applause at someone being assaulted ).

Everyone would be horrified if this had been an elderly man.

Just out of interest, how long do you think that calling the police would have held up that train for?

Yes OldGreyWassailTest that is exactly what should have happened. The Police should have been called,and the people would have had to wait.

It's called following Procedure.

And you do all agree that the young man required a police response.

If he was travelling without a ticket and refused to get off the train...then I see no other response than to call the Police.

Certainly not dragging him and then bodyslamming him.

I know Worra, I live in Scotland, but he wasn't using it in the normal call-another-not-actually-big-person 'big-man'

He called HIMSELF big man. Which is not normal use unless you think you are a BIG man.

Everyone whi is saying he deserved it. He would have if it was the police doing it. It does not matter that the guy was holding everyone up or how long it would have taken to get police there. If he commits crime and you commit crime against him, you are just as bad, but in this case, worse because he should be a grown man knowing better.

I don't like seeing people hurt but he had no respect for the ticket collector and he was an old man. He was cheeky..he swore and there were kids on board.
At leat the big meat head got the job done cleanly. (ish)

Not the police, the Transport Police whose job it is to deal with fare dodgers.

"It's called following Procedure."

Could not agree with this more.

Whoops, that was faaaaar from clean.

I'm quite happy to see someone get what's coming to them TBH.

saladsandwich I think the boy was either pushed onto the mother of that family or BigMan bashed into her as he was dragging him back up onto his feet.

She really didn't look happy about it, whatever happened, and I'd not have been pleased either if I was in her place. I wouldn't have wanted my son listening to the swearing but I'd have preferred that to him watching the violence.

The boy probably would have left the train if the conductor had radioed for the police anyway, he wouldn't want to hang about and get arrested.

And if the whole train was kept waiting god knows how long for the police to turn up, that wouldn't just affect that train but all the others too.

So potentially hundreds of people unable to get where they're trying to go (having paid for their tickets) because no-one wanted to eject the obnoxious little shit from the train?

Sod that. He got off lightly imo cos if the train stayed there much longer, a few angry passengers might well have smacked him one...who knows?

I never saw a body slam....if someone did that then that's awful! I thought the man just manhadled the lad off.

In London I saw bus loads of people heckle non payers off...the tcket man would tell the bus they wee not moving and evryone would shout at the non payer to leave...tey always did.

Abuse from teens with an attitude is something that you see daily on public transport. I for one find it refreshing to see one get put in their place to be honest.

I have seen so many public transport workers subjected to vile verbal abuse simply for doing their jobs.

Completely agree with Worra. So many people these days (not just kids) seem to think they're untouchable.

The boy probably would have left the train if the conductor had radioed for the police anyway, he wouldn't want to hang about and get arrested

On the other hand he might have continued to not give a shit...

He didn't look like a kid to me. I know in my teens, if I had done similar and been found out, I would have been mortified and apologetic and would have sprinted off that train. His total lack of fear or humiliation is the problem here, and the over reactions by the public is the expression of utter exhausted patience with the constant pandering to kids and pussyfooting around responsibilities.

So Worra, we should take the law into our own hands in case someone else does with more violence?

Everybody,according to the law,is physically untouchable....and rightly so.

And we wonder where the kids learn the violence from...never mind the swearing.

I hope 'big man' gets a massive 'big fine'

I totally agree with all the points about him being in the wrong, cheeky to the conductor and not appearing to care he was holding everyone up.

But seriously would you all be so happy at this if it was your own teenage son or daughter 'getting what was coming to them'?

No wonder young people have no respect for 'authority'.

I'm actually surprised trains are allowed to tell kids to get off these days if they don't have tickets. I know for a fact that buses (round my way at least) have to let a child on with no money to pay for a ticket, in case anything happens to them if they have to walk home or wherever.