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to think that this was ridiculous...

571 replies

MeltedAdventCalendarChocolates · 11/12/2011 23:17

Sure he probably was lying. Maybe he wasn't and should have had the maturity to handle it differently, who knows, but for a random stranger to handle this KID in this way is horrific!

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iscream · 12/12/2011 05:52

"Any person who is reasonably believed by an authorised person to be in breach of any of these Byelaws and who fails to desist or leave when asked to do so by an authorised person may be removed from the railway by an authorised person using reasonable force"

From www2.dft.gov.uk/pgr/rail/legislation/regs/railwaysbyelaws.pdf

iscream · 12/12/2011 05:58

If a kid of mine did this, I would be shocked, furious, and mortified.
People need to suffer the consequences of their actions. His "What are you going to do?" said repeatedly to the train man proves he felt he could get away with it without anything happening to him.

pictish · 12/12/2011 06:02

I know - fuck the little scrote.

Morloth · 12/12/2011 06:09

I would be fine with my kids being treated the same way. Nothing bad happened to him. He was kicked off a train for being a PITA.

iscream · 12/12/2011 06:13

Wish there was a "Like" feature on MN.

sitandnatter · 12/12/2011 06:30

The kid was holding up the whole train rather than get off so he was completely in the wrong but a passenger isn't an authorised person, he was a vigilante, a bit rough but effective. I wouldn't get any pleasure from seeing him prosecuted but he was a bit of a bully at the same time. Then again so was the kid.

Bubbaluv · 12/12/2011 06:38

Natural justice.

nooka · 12/12/2011 06:48

I've been on trains with people behaving like this, and sometimes the police have been called and then we've all been penned in with an abusive git throwing their weight around and it is bloody unpleasant. If I'd been on the train I might not have cheered but I would have been very relieved. Sometimes the police have instead met the train at the next station, but that only works if there are police near the next station, otherwise you just get trapped on the train at the next station instead. When the police do arrive they are not above being pretty physical themselves.

The only person I felt sorry for in that video was the inspector, who looked somewhat shell shocked by the end. I do find myself a bit skeptical about the whole thing though. It was very conveniently filmed in it's entirety, and the comment about going viral was a bit odd too.

NoobyNoob · 12/12/2011 06:52

Good - what a knob

runningwilde · 12/12/2011 06:58

Well, apparently the kid who was thrown off was mouthing off on his Facebook page about this and boasting about the video...
I am not sure how I feel about this but the kid seems to feel
He can do what the hell he wants and he is being shown he can't which is not a bad thing

storminabuttercup · 12/12/2011 07:09

Considering it had been filmed I suspect the whole saga had gone in for a while and someone started filming.

I didn't see any body slamming. Also when the 'kid' tried ti get back on the train he threw himself at 'big man' who then pushed him back, natural reaction IMO.

We didn't see what happened first but if there was a sob story and the kid wasn't just being a knob then someone would have offered him the fare or the inspector would have let him off!

I really hope this man doesn't get prosecuted, he was helping the conductor, who was older than him. That whole scenario would have looked very different if the kid hadn't been throwing himself about like a toddler in a tantrum.

usualsuspect · 12/12/2011 07:27

Awful

It was assault ,I hope the big man gets prosecuted for it

HecateGoddessOfTwelfthNight · 12/12/2011 07:37

When I clicked on this, I expected to see a child, reading some of the posts! Instead I see a man as old as 20 or so!

I also didn't see any body slamming.

What I saw was a young man without a valid ticket, giving it some gob, effing and blinding. I saw him being asked to leave and refusing to. I saw them try to escort him off the train and him resisting and I saw them falling over in the struggle that he caused by trying to stop them from removing him from the train. I didn't see any intentional 'body slamming'. I saw them tripping over one another and falling. And then trying to stop him from getting back on the train.

Everything that happened was a result of this young man's actions. Not child. Young man.

He didn't have a valid ticket. He was mouthing off. He refused an opportunity to pay. He started swearing. He struggled with the people trying to remove him from the train. He threw himself at them several times trying to get back on.

He could have been polite, he could have paid, he could have walked calmly from the train when asked to.

He chose to behave like that. He has to take some responsibility for what happened.

Like I say, I didn't see 'body slamming'. If it looked like that, as in wrestling body slamming moves, then I'd say hell yes, that's assault. But it truly looked to me like falling over due to this young man struggling and lashing out. They tripped over him because he was throwing himself all over the place instead of walking off the train when asked to.

He behaved disgustingly.

That said, they did the wrong thing. Once it became obvious that he was not going to leave the train voluntarily and he would need to be physically removed, they should have called the police to come and deal with it.

DoingTheBestICan · 12/12/2011 07:38

I didnt like this at all,they should have rung the transport police to meet them at the next station & dealt with him there.

Yes the boy was rude there is no dispute there but what has this taught him?That violence works?Do you really think he feels all chastised now & absolutely will not be a prick again?

The 'big man' was completely out of order & deserves a conversation with the police to explain his actions.

Dawndonnathatchristmasiscoming · 12/12/2011 07:52

Half the way teenagers are this way is because of bullying morons like that chap.
Honestly, yes he was being a sod, but in what way is bullying acceptable?

crazycrackernanna · 12/12/2011 08:01

The lad didn't pay his ticket....fair enough.
He swore twice...he didn't spit/hit/attack the inspector.

The inspector's reaction imo left a lot to be desired. He was a cocky git too,saying "we will sit here all night" would have riled the other passengers anyway...he was unprofessional. He then asked and allowed a member of the public,not staff,to manhandle the lad,and then when the lad was assaulted,he was seen laughing and smirking. Great way to do/keep your job in the current climate.

The thug who assaulted the lad...because make no mistake,no matter what people think,in the eyes of the law that is exactly what it was, was showing the violence that we all moan about.

He didn't commit the crime of the century...he didn't pay a fare. He was lairy in the face of a stroppy unprofessional staff member....and he was then submitted to physical manhandling by a thug on the invitation of the so called professional.

Vigilantism should be discouraged in all areas. members of the public are not the Police...that is why we have the Police.
If the incident would have been dealt with in the right way,then that would have been lawful. The whole sorry episode was a failure of the inspector.

rogersmellyonthetelly · 12/12/2011 08:20

We only saw half of the incident there I'm quite sure. There was probably about another 5 minutes of gobby swearing teen with an increasingly irate instructor. I'm afraid that I don't buy that it's all the inspectors fault. Teen got on train without ticket, when confronted about it he got gobby. He was asked to leave the train and refused, clearly thinking that no one would be able to make him leave. I didn't see any body slamming. I saw a big bloke pick him up by the shoulders of his coat, so not that forcibly, and then herd him down the exit. They fell over due to the teen resisting and the narrow aisle. He was taken off the train. He tried to get back on and was repelled. He was in the wrong 100% not the inspector who was trying to do his job, and not the bloke who removed him from the train. Everything that happened to him happened because of his own arrogant and selfish actions. He learned consequences, and hopefully he will remember them. He wasnt a child he was a teen, which to me is a young adult.

FanjoForTheReindeerJumper · 12/12/2011 08:23

The "kid" ...who looked about 19 to me..was being a horrible little shit who had clearly never learned discipline and thought he could do whatever he wanted in life..he learned he can't..what's the problem. Can't believe he complained afterwards.

FanjoForTheReindeerJumper · 12/12/2011 08:24

can't believe people are criticising the inspector, who was sworn at and generally wound up.

crazycrackernanna · 12/12/2011 08:25

I have to say I am really surprised on the amount of people who think assault is justified.

AFuckingFestiveKnackeredWoman · 12/12/2011 08:26

He isnt a child, he looks like he is in his late teens, from the outcry on here you would think he was 5.

He is old enough to behave properly and he chose not to. He got what he deserved

FanjoForTheReindeerJumper · 12/12/2011 08:26

have a slightly different view on this being from Scotland, where wee "neds" like that lovely fare dodger take pride in being rude and offensive and arsey to anyone in authority because they think they can get away with it. no heart bleeding for that wee ned here

crazycrackernanna · 12/12/2011 08:28

And no bleeding heart from me if the thug gets a justified criminal conviction.

FanjoForTheReindeerJumper · 12/12/2011 08:29

the guy was a bit heavy handed, yes..but the wee "kid who isnt a kid" WANTED a reaction, he just got more than he expected.

demetersdaughter · 12/12/2011 08:30

Some of the hug a hoody comments on here are laughable.
And thankfully in the minority.

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