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To want my mum to spend christmas with us and not my deadbeat brother?

221 replies

BupcakesandCunting · 29/11/2011 10:57

I'm not sure whether I am asking whether AIBU really or just wanting to blow off steam...

Bit of backstory (the condensed version, if pressed I will expand on issues, not drip-feeding) my brother is a notoriously selfish and toxic arsehole. He lives in Brighton, my mum lives here in the Midlands close to us. He has done various things to upset mum, myself and others including leeching money from mum because he refuses to get a job, cajoled my step-gran into handing cash over to him to pay his rent (he is at uni, should say that he is 22 though, not 18) then point-blank refuses to answer the 'phone to her when she calls him to make sure he has handed teh rent money to his landlord, threatened to stab my uncle, cheated on several girlfriends then gone AWOL when caught out and left "suicide" messages to get attention... The latest thing is that my mum has been ill the last few weeks and despite everyone trying to get hold of him, he refuses to return calls/get in touch. He is alive and well and I know this because my cousin says he is on Facebook most days... So he has had no contact with my mum for four weeks, despite her being quite poorly.

Mum had been staying with us up until last thursday. I've cooked for her, washed her clothes, ran her to doctors/hospital/emergency doctors etc. I'm not complaining, I liked looking after her and miss her now she's gone back home. I've been checking on her to make sure she has everything she needs and have been taking her shopping in etc.

Now, I refuse to have my brother here for christmas. past experience has taught me that it is no good for my blood pressure. DH and I do all of the work whilst he sits on his arse with his face in his iPhone. Doesn't offer to help wash-up/lay table or anything. I don't want him here anyway, really as I just don't like him. He is coming back in a few weeks and I've told mum that she is very welcome, we would like her to be here with us if she likes, but he is not. He would be more than welcome at my ex stepdad's so it's not like he has nowhere to go. Mum says she can't leave him on christmas day. So she will cook dinner for the two of them, then he will leave her to wash-up and bugger off out with his mates.

I feel like I should be the one that gets to have her here at christmas. He won't even so much as offer to make her a cup of tea, much les have thought to get her a present or card. I feel like I deserve to have her here and he doesn't.

There I said it. I sound like a spoiled brat but it's how I feel :( Sorry that was LONG...

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BupcakesandCunting · 29/11/2011 22:16

No, she IS a professional victim! :(

She HAS had it tough, but well, so have I frankly. I won't let that define me, though. I'm NOT a victim, just had a bit of a rough ride. Mum is one of those people who moans about never having any luck but tbh, it's a self-fulfilling prophecy. She believes herself to be unworthy of nice things happening to her so they don't. I really do think that mostly, life is self-fulfilling prophecy.

Awww GetOrf, bring the GetOrflettes and join forces with the Cuntlettes. We'll have a grand old time on the eggnog and we can play pin the glittery purple cock on the Andre, drunkenly, whilst our menfolk and children look on in sadness amazement.

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carernotasaint · 29/11/2011 22:17

Bupcakes Im a member of Carers Uk (i care for my husband) but on the carers boards i am always reading about situations like this only twenty years down the line. I know you mentioned your mums illness already but as your mum gets older it is likely that she will need more care and Bupcakes it already sounds like you would be the primary carer.
Your bro would never do his share and the resentment will build and build and get worse. If your mum wants to be the martyr then let her. And the fact that he threatened to stab your uncle shows he has an uncontrollable temper. Not someone i would want around children if i had any. I certainly wouldnt want anyone like that around my niece.

OldMumsy · 29/11/2011 22:17

I am quite hard about these people as I watched my lovely Mum trying to please her mother when all her mother cared about was the son, my Mums brother. I have contempt for my maternal grandmother, if there is an after life I will convey this to her, she made my Mums life really difficult. And my Mum was someone who just wanted it all to be Ok and sacrificed herself for these complete tossers. Makes me mad!!!

BupcakesandCunting · 29/11/2011 22:20

alwaysme that's beyond words. Your poor mum. Thanks for sharing that though, it does put things into perspective. :(

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MinnieBar · 29/11/2011 22:22

alwaysme what an incredibly moving story, I'm welling up a bit reading that.
Bupcakes I think your blasé approach is probably best - if she does up the emotional ante, always have a 'well, that's fine, you can just do this then' answer and simply steer clear of any sighing and hand-wringing. You've made your offer, she's made her choice, that's that. Hopefully she'll come to yours for the morning/evening/both, realise how much less stressful it is without DB, and see the light [eternal optimist emoticon]

BupcakesandCunting · 29/11/2011 22:25

carer you are right.

In the entire time that she was ill, he sent one three-word text, "Are you alright?" and didn't even reply when she said "No I am ill, please get in touch."

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Joolyjoolyjoo · 29/11/2011 22:27

Really feel for you, Bupcakes. We had this for years, although it was my mum's deadbeat brother. We always had gran (mum's mum) to our house, and so we had to invite arsewipe too. He lived with gran all his adult life, being waited on, but when she got ill he couldn't possibly look after her (despite not working) and she had to go into a nursing home (which plagued my mum with guilt, even though she was very ill and disabled herself, and still worked f/t and had 3 other siblings Hmm)

The Christmas invite pantomime went like this: Mum would insist deadbeat uncle came to us, dad and I would roll our eyes. She would send deadbeat uncle (DU) a Christmas card with £100 in it because she felt sorry for him, and there would be a nice letter to ask him for Christmas. No response. Mum would phone him a few times before he would eventually answer, the week before Christmas, and announce that he would come, BUT we should remember he didn't eat turkey. Or vegetables. And that we would need to come and collect him, at a time prescribed by him. And then we would need to make sure dinner was over to run him home again at another time prescribed by him so he could go out with his friends. My mum would agree to all this.

Except that, from the time I was 18 or so, it was me who cooked the dinner (mum not well enough, and I wanted to help her out), and me who had to go and pick the tosser up (dad getting gran from nursing home) and me who had to run him home again. I remember digging my heels in over the "he won't eat turkey" scenario. Fucked if I was preparing a separate dish for him.

After being picked up, he would swan in, empty-handed, and announce he hadn't brought any presents, but wouldn't be shy about accepting whatever mum had forced us to buy for him. I always wished he would even bring a token bottle of crap wine, or flowers for my mum to say thank you, but needless to say he never did. He wouldn't even have anything for his own mum, who was so pleased to see him there Sad He would proceed to moan about every aspect of the meal (well, in his case, just potatoes Grin) then remind me countless times that I had to drive him home in however-many hours/ minutes. When my other aunts etc turned up to see gran, they had to sit in a separate room, as another of my aunts hadn't spoken to him since he smacked her in the face a few years previously because she suggested he could get a bus somewhere. A lovely chap.

Fast forward a few years- after my gran died, we STILL had to have DU for Christmas dinner. He refused to come to my wedding, and sent a crappy bit of paper saying he would buy us a gift, as that must be what we wanted. Hmm I didn't reply.When my mum died, he didn't reply to any of my dad's phone messages, then turned up on the morning of the funeral and upset everyone, insisting he help carry the coffin etc.

I have never seen him since, and assume he is the same sad bitter old turd in his near 60s as he was in his 30s. Sounds a bit like your brother, bupcakes. My gran spoiled him and did everything for him, catered to all his faddy eating, put his bets on for him, gave him money, everything. I loved my gran to bits, but I really do think a lot of the way he turned out was her fault. It has had a real influence on the way I treat ds (only boy, youngest)

carernotasaint · 29/11/2011 22:30

alwaysme i agree with the above poster. That was a lovely surprise you arranged for your parents. I read your post out to my DH who is 61 (im 38) and the first thing he said was What a (insert expletive here) meaning your bro and then he said (and i dont mean this to upset you) what on earth is he gonna do when your parents arent around anymore. I think what you did for your parents anniversary was fab.

BupcakesandCunting · 29/11/2011 22:38

Jooly, what a horrible situation. So sorry about your loss too.

I totally get what you mean about it influencing the way you treat your DS: I am the same. I found myself snapping at mum earlier because I moaned that DS seems unable to keep a jumper clean at school for one day, "He's a boy" she said. Hmm I told her not to ever use that excuse for my child.

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Joolyjoolyjoo · 29/11/2011 22:43

Thanks, bupcakes. Sorry about the long rant Blush

But good for you if you manage to put your foot down re your DBB. There are just some people who just aren't worth it (whatever the adverts might say!)

On the plus side- I'm sure our DS's will grow up lovely as a result of our experiences Smile

LizzieMo · 29/11/2011 22:46

Bups-sorry to hijack your thread for a minute, but I wanted to say to Alwaysme- my mum also grew up in a refugee camp in Austria, but she was in the American sector. Whilst life wasn't exactly a bed of roses, she said the Americans treated them fairly, and they were kind to children especially- the first time my mum tasted chocolate it was supplied to the children by an American soldier. She said she often heard 'stories' about the treatment those in the Russian sector had to suffer, she would not elaborate ant further though, so I believe it must have been dreadful.
I hope your mum got some joy out of her married life, despite your awful brother. It sounds like her marriage was long & hopefully happy , and she could take some pride in that.

BupcakesandCunting · 29/11/2011 22:47

Oh Jooly don't apologise for ranting! I know that it needs to be vented more than most. Rant away!

Lizzie, feel free! :)

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KittyFane · 29/11/2011 23:07

As parents we go to the child who needs us most,
No, I think some mothers go to the DC who demands the most attention.
Bupcakes- your mum sounds as if she is in a codependent relationship with your brother.
There are some sad stories on this thread but it has been interesting to read that what happens in my family is happening elsewhere as well. :(

KittyFane · 29/11/2011 23:09

Sorry, the first bit was in response to scruffy

alwaysme · 29/11/2011 23:33

carernotasaint that subject came up a few years ago and mum was sort of hinting that he could come live with us. There is just no way! Seems though that it was because dad was updating his Will at the time and although they haven't got a lot, just their small house, dad was leaving us half each. So mum was worrying it would have to be sold and brother would be homeless. So I told dad, I need nothing, just leave the house to my brother. I promised mum I would keep an eye on him, that's all I could do, he would never take any notice of anything I told him :(

LizzieMo your poor mum too, I hope she has had a happy life since. My mum and dad are devoted to each other, I think the only reason dad has put up with my brother is for my mother's sake.

alwaysme · 29/11/2011 23:54

Ha, and now I know I'm getting old :o

They were married in 1947, that Diamond Wedding was 4 years ago, not 2. My brother made such an impression it seems like yesterday !

MrsDistinctlyMintyMonetarism · 30/11/2011 00:33

alwaysme what a heartrending story.

Bupcakes I can really empathise with the 'wanting everything to be perfect' mother. I have one too.

So my brother treats her like shit and she cries on the phone to me about it 'why is he doing this to me?' and I end up saying that it's not just her he does it to, it's all of this.

I wish, I bloody wish that I didn't want for him to actually be a nice person and demonstrate empathy, I know (deep deep down) that he won't. Sad And I wish I didn't care so fucking much that just typing this is making me cry.

MrsDistinctlyMintyMonetarism · 30/11/2011 00:34

God, sorry, thread had moved on. X posts.

dancingmustard · 30/11/2011 00:42

I see the OP has got that xmas spirit in abundance.

Hopefully her mum will have xmas dinner at her sons house.

MrsDistinctlyMintyMonetarism · 30/11/2011 01:01

Can I be bothered to engage with someone who hasn't read the thread?

Dear dancingmustard,

RTFT

yours etc
MrsD

dancingmustard · 30/11/2011 01:06

Have read the thread.
And my comment still stands.
The OP sounds selfish.
HTH

MrsDistinctlyMintyMonetarism · 30/11/2011 01:25

Surprised if you've read the thread that you didn't pick up that the son doesn't have his own house. It is his mum's house.

Surprised if you've read the thread that Buppy has been looking after her mum whilst she's been ill and that the son has not even called.

Surprised if you've read the thread that Buppy's brother is in his 20s and apparently not able to look after himself (or go to his step dads) for Xmas day, or go to Buppy's house and actually help.

dancingmustard · 30/11/2011 01:30

So what if he doesn't have his own house.
If his mum wants him for lunch at xmas that's her business no one elses.
No xmas spirit and little compassion for anyone else is the way I read it.
Gives grip back to MDM because she desperately needs it more than I do.
That is all.

MrsDistinctlyMintyMonetarism · 30/11/2011 01:36

For first time ever on here I want to scream shout and tear things into little tiny pieces. Angry

But I'm not going to. Am going out instead. I'll have my grip back thank you. Feel free to take some empathy as you leave.

carernotasaint · 30/11/2011 01:39

dancing mustard i can only assume from the way you have jumped on the defensive that your behaviour in life may be similar to that of the OPs brother.

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