to want to know if DogsBestFriend has been banned from mumsnet?

[GetOrf]

Because if she has been I would like to know why.

I thought it was all about the muu muu this season.

@MmeLindor

I was looking for a sin bin emoticon and googled "sin bin smiley"

This is what I found. Could we have this as a warning sign when a poster is warned?

<a class="break-all" href="http://www.google.ch/imgres?q=sin+bin+smiley&hl=de&nord=1&biw=1600&bih=785&tbm=isch&tbnid=_bNmXnUek1x8rM:&imgrefurl=www.team-andro.com/phpBB3/offizieller-babbel-spam-und-smiley-thread-t169308-112350.html&docid=gj_q2e5kFP2TfM&itg=1&imgurl=magdeblog.de/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/penisbild.gif&w=500&h=500&ei=Wky4TqSkL5HV4QSh0sXZAw&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=850&vpy=130&dur=61&hovh=225&hovw=225&tx=132&ty=114&sig=103894265151616174179&page=1&tbnh=126&tbnw=142&start=0&ndsp=34&ved=1t:429,r:4,s:0" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Sin Bin

How is that a sin bin smiley?

Good post, MrFawkesMan.

big wave to old friends as I swoop by
Yes I did read the DBF thread.
The bottom line is this is now an odd version of NM, hence no point in posting generally.
No idea what happened, but it was definitely sometime inthe summer that it went weird.
Ban DBF for telling the truth by all means.
You'll find other truth tellers willbe walking shortly

Ok great, so you'll reinstate? When? Just I've got the Hotel Inspector on Sky+...

Justine
I don't know, but if someone is being a dick, maybe they should have one of those next to their posting name...

JustineMumsnet

Be honest now,you sneaked out for a sly fag.

MNHQ never look at threads unless someone has reported them.
So in DBF,s case, people that 'disagreed' with her eg TLES reported.
Or others that really don't listen to the sense she speaks.
I think, from now on, we should all report every poster we don't agree with.
From what I've seen tonight, by the end of the week Mumsnet will no longer exist.

vaunda was tles' previous username. she was before my time but at the time tles admitted to being her there were plenty of link to her posts around (I believe those threads now deleted)

anyway she used to talik insessently about her ds1 who was actually so advanced that he could only communicate with other adults, not children, because he was so advanced and so inteligent and he could only communicate at an adult level and had lots of adult friends.

That's just the jist as I really don't remember all, but she was emphatic about it..

Otherwise it's just lecturing. One individual is not responsible for all the unwanted dogs in the world. They are usually responsible for just one, and quite anxious about it

If one person comes on saying x and DBF someone replies it's a post. If 10 people start separate threads saying the same thing and DBF you reply to each of them it's lecturing??

Is DBF actually Valhalla then? I've posted to Valhalla.

MNHQ.... Do you think there would be any merit in some more direct and prescriptive guidelines for members? Something along the lines of what constitutes a personal attack because it seems that some aren't aware. We can all get carried away sometimes when it's something we're passionate about but some absolutes wouldn't go amiss so that we don't go there.

I'd also like to see some stern warnings for trolls and posters who lie for attention, changing usernames willy nilly and causing trouble. There are some posters who don't engage other than to watch, learn and target the posters they don't like by hitting their trigger buttons. That's not fair.

I'd like to add my name to the saving of DBF/Valhalla please. We do need passionate people, just fit them with an electronic tag and give it a little buzz as a prompt, but please don't let them go to Netmums...

Just adding my vote to bring DBF back.
I read the thread in question before it went poof and also TLES's original thread in April 'looking for advice' before adopting said dog.

I, for one, totally understand DBF's exasperation.
I know she has been warned before, but IMO her help/advice/experience far, far outweighs the fact that she might have got carried away under extreme provocation.

Well, I think MNHQ have been rather heavy handed. But I do think that the doghouse can be a scary place, and a bit unwelcoming. Just this last week, we have been discussing getting a dog, but after lurking on the doghouse I decided not to post asking for advice, because I thought it would end up with me being told that I was stupid for even considering it, how selfish I was to want one when I have young children etc etc. Now that may be me being paranoid, but that is the vibe I get from there generally. I'm glad MNHQ are aware of that vibe.

Please allow her to come back.

Fine penis MmeLindor>

Well said MrFawkesMan,agree 100%.
I wouldn't want to be in Justines shoes right now (depends if they are JimmyChoo or not) but they have to judge it on what they see not on how popular a poster is.

Yes, thanks for that, MrFawkesMan.

Justine- please, can you not see that what DBF posted was justified fair comment in context, and not directed at some innocent newbie? And that the worst personal attacks on that thread were from non-doggie posters piling in, who are fed up of another jackanory session from TLES, but DBF has been unfairly held responsible for a Thread Gone Bad?

Please listen to the posters who are familiar with DBF and the situation the thread was about. This is really unfair, truly.

(Just wanted to say I rather feel for you Justine and Mnhq incase you need it).

Someone PM me about Vaunda, then I'll PM Pinot with the goss, sort of a public service.

this all kind of links in with the requests to know why a post has been deleted, doesn't it? that wuld be a start, I htink, and the message could easily contain 'message deleted, and poster warned for XYZ'. yes, it might not work in the heat of the the moment, but it would be there for all to know and see.

tbh, I am not sure that MNHQ should back down on this - they have clear rules, and DBF has consistently flouted them (the TLES issue is a separate one, imo). she has had warnings, and temp bans beforenow, and they ahve not served to make her reconsider her posting style. to say 'oh she has toned it down' is perhaps not enough - just because her posts have recently been relatively milder, does not mean they have not still broken talk guidelines.

I posted on another thread re: reinstating DBF, and asked what percentage of members would be needed to agree in order to reinstate? because ths thread is only a (very vocal, admittedly) minority. shoudl MNHQ really be changing rules because of a few posters shouting?

all in all, the deletion policy (and by extension the banning policy) probably does need looking at - there have been several threads on this in the not too distant past. the consistency has not been there from MNHQ, across a number of topics.

Yes, Wannabe. That is how I remember her.

She posted about her son being so advanced. Then namechanged and started posting about her son's behavioural problems.

Tbh DBF (I read the thread) did come across....as sharp. I have seen her post lots in the doghouse. We recently had a Dog issue I'd have loved advice on, however I knew based on reading MN, our circumstance and story would have been eaten up by the likes of DBF.

Now I am all for a mixed range of opinions, that's MN for you, but I did not post as I did not want to be told How wrong I was by one poster, knowing everyone else would jump on board. MN seems to have lost a bit of its ethos lately. Troll hunting, attacking a poster, people jumping on bandwagons.

When I joined MN years ago, it felt like finding old friends. There was support, care and most of all,compassion.

This was not the case in this incident, or many other threads I have read lately. Since when did someone looking for help become a chance to slay them? Or be "brave" and say things we would never say in real life?

If DBF has had many warnings, MNHQ were right to draw the line. It's fine to be passionate, but evangelical and forceful of your beliefs onto others is wrong.

I agree with MNHQ. So now let my slaying commence........

YY DBF is Vall.

oh, and sometimes what MNHQ delete as personal attack is nothing of the sort. some clear guideliens on what constitutes a PA woudl be nice

(eg I have been deleted for telling someone to fuck off. not particularly naice language, I will admit, but I do not understand how it is a personal attack)

MNHQ: have you informed DBF that there is a chance she may be brought back if she agrees to be nice?