to want to know if DogsBestFriend has been banned from mumsnet?

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Because if she has been I would like to know why.

justine, I started a thread on here about two months ago about the dog house topic and its agressive and unwelcoming tone. You (not you personally iirc but ykwim) said then that you would look into it... and now here we are again with it all having kicked off on that topic.

Tbh I can see that if dbf has had multiple warnings there has to come a tipping point, and that tipping point shouldn't depend on how disliked the user was that she attacked IMO.

tles has form on here back to when I joined and I am amazed that hq don't seem to see any inconsistencies.

I agree with Sarah and Mme Lindor. Glass sides and gossip.

It's not different at all, some thing yes but basic things like feeding / physical abuse is not at all.

You deserve to be pulled up on your behaviour.

Obviously not with regards to rehoming but I fear we will end up with a doghouse full of the type of idiots that do post threads about animal cruelty etc. without anyone there to tell them to feck off.

I am on another animal forum that became over-run with people like this!

Then change the name of the Doghouse if you feel it's getting a bit heated.

People refer to being "in the doghouse" when they've done something wrong.

Perhaps something with more positive connotations would have a psychological effect on posters?

AIBU- World War 3, 4, 5, 6+ and that's in a single day
WWYD- lovely, chilled, garners opinions in a usually agreeable way.

And yet these 2 topics seem to have the same purpose- to garner opinion on certain behaviour.

What BOF said.

With jingle balls on.

Asidefrom the whole DBFissue, did any posters/rentamobbers get warnings for their posts on that thread?

'no reason why people can't be civilized in the DogHouse'

No, there isn't. Though to be fair, the lack of civilized behaviour I've seen over years and years on MN (in loads of other places, am newish to the DH) is so often when members are exhausted and struggling themselves.

I think those of us who aren't particularly shouty, and like DBF and other wise doggy people being around, need to get braver about posting reminders to stay polite. Not all the responsibility is on the shouty ones.

'One individual is not responsible for all the unwanted dogs in the world. They are usually responsible for just one, and quite anxious about it.'

If that one individual posts something like 'I'm thinking of breeding my dog, never done that before, I think every bitch should have puppies'---they are GOING to be responsible for a bunch of unwanted dogs! Those people NEED pulling up, a cold, hard reality check. And often they don't like what they hear.

You off for a fag break?

the thing is, TLES may lie. she may make stuff up. she may be a drama queen.

none of those things are banned on here are they? and if you "know" her, and think you know how her threads will pan out then why not just ignore it and let them drift off the boards?

you cna't ban someone for lying unless you think they are doing it to deliberately upset or hurt others.

herbie
to be fair, MNHQ don't spend the whole day reading the board and saying, "oh, here. That Herbie is lovely. She just posted a very supportive reply to MmeLindor's question about how to get blood off a white carpet".

They see our posts if they are reported.

So they don't know that DBF is lovely and supportive on some threads. They just see when she crosses the line.

And if she has been warned before, she knows that she has to be careful about what she posts.

Korma But that's a personal attack PMSL

Although also the truth.

I didn't get a warning. I didn't get told I'd had a post deleted. I just noticed today.

And I was tougher than DBF was, in my opinion of the op.

this has all gone fur enough

LRD's idea of warnings being made on-thread is fantastic.

Is it time for puns yet?

Well I like DBF a lot and when I first started posting here, I did find her shouty posts very aggressive....until I realised it wasn't aggression as such, just a strong passion for animal welfare. She does an amazing job imo and has helped many many people.

I also like TLES but more in a "I wonder what yarn she's going to spin today" sort of way

I think DBF should be allowed back and I also think MN should have a sin bin where you get suspended for 24hrs/48hrs or a week (after an inbox warning)

Sorry Thread is growing too fast for me to read it all.

Please can I add my vote to BRING BACK DBF

I've only just found the Doghouse and have loved DBF's contribution. I found her very helpful and entertaining and The Doghouse very welcoming.

If other posters have found it scary, why do they go there?

yy to warnings on thread

I am actually strangely engaged with this thread-am usually eords on a screen blah blah. But I heartened to see that many posters are genuinely passionate about supporting someone=presumable whom very few of you actually know.

As I said before I have found dbf overly aggressive in her tone-outwith dh-but I think its understandable with the other issues she has in her life. She is not a bad person imo.

I dont believe tles is a troll either-sadly I think most of what she writes is true-did you see her profile pics?

Good post yank and I agree.

For people who work in rescue like DBF the reality is they ARE responsible for every unwanted dog in the world as they are the one's dealing with it day in, day out.

Re DBF and the spirit of the site - yes, I know there's a background of general angry stridency and a lack of perspective at times and a general scary vibe in The Doghouse (despite having no desire for a dog ever, I'm drawn to it), and I have seen some gobsmacking views expressed there - sometimes bloody close to "your dog is more important than your child" etc. So I get all that. I do understand. I know people have commented before re feeling the Doghouse was not exactly an inclusive welcoming place.

But - DBF was often very fair and even handed. For every one time she was too much, there was another whole bunch of times she was balanced and nothing but helpful. When my DS3 was bitten and I was in a state and talking to the police, she gave me a very impartial, non-judgemental account of what would happen next. At no point did she say "don't press charges", when she so easily could have. And I've seen that elsewhere from her.

Ultimately the point is that MN thrives on this sort of conflict - on opinionated, feisty people saying controversial stuff which people take issue with. As long as no-one's feeling bullied and unable to argue the toss, that should be encouraged. And DBF was part of that. It would be a real shame to see the beginning of the end of that spirit.

Words

Who was Vaunda then? I don't recognise that name, i searched quickly and found a post here from TLES where she says she is Vaunda. Can anyone explain what the Vaunda problem was?