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to have told my parents they cannot go away for the w/e next week?

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bananaistheanswer · 05/11/2011 14:28

because it means I won't have childcare?

Background - I work 3 days, 2 long days (monday/friday) and a normal day on wednesday. My work used to be very flexible and accommodating, and any changes to my work pattern were usually agreed without any problems. Recently, however, there has been a general 'clamp down' on any requests to deviate from the usual work hours/pattern, with similar requests being refused to other colleagues. I am not a favourite employee, to say the least, and really don't need the hassle it will cause me if I go in on monday to say I have to change my working hours to accommodate my DM not being able to collect DD from school on friday. I can't swap my days around as I work from 9-9 on a friday, and don't have anyone who can cover those hours other than my DM. I have no holidays left, and would probably be refused permission to take a holiday given the lack of notice. I'd also happily work one of the 2 days I don't usually, to cover the hours I can't do on a friday (if I worked a normal day on the friday) but this has also recently been refused when previously it was not a problem.

The holiday thing came about as my dad decided he would spirit my mum away for a weekend, since she's now retired and not bound by her work. She worked alternate fridays, and on the days she did work, finished at 1pm so was able to collect DD no problems. She agreed to this to allow me to work my hours as I do now. This set up has been in place since a year past August when DD started school. Mum retired last month.

Now I would be more than happy to take a holiday if I had one, and had sufficient notice to allow me to request the time off so my mum can have a w/e away. The problem is, my dad just 'doesn't get' the fact that I agreed contracted hours with my work based on my mum's agreed help for 1 of my 3 days working. I'm locked into that contract, and have no chance of getting out of it, if this is to become a regular thing (which, given my dad's attitude, I suspect it might). Being regularly put in a tight spot like this fills me with dread, as I don't have enough holidays to allow me to take a friday off every time they do this (14 weeks holidays in school to cover, I get 5 weeks at present, and also have to take time off to cover childminder when she take a hols [she does the monday childcare] so it's a struggle to say the least).

My mum does me a huge favour by picking up DD on fridays, and I don't expect her to never have the chance to do something on a friday if she wants to. But, I can't do 'last minute' getaways in the situation I'm in. I pretty much said as much to my dad last night, and now he's pissed off with me for effectively telling him they can't go away next weekend.

So, AIBU?

(dons hard hat and flame proof all-in-one suit)

OP posts:
GwendolineMaryLacey · 06/11/2011 12:41

Glad it's being sorted and that your dad isn't the villain he was being assumed to be Wink :)

SardineQueen · 06/11/2011 13:08

If your dad is anything like my dad (and he probably isn;t!) it's probably just that he forgot temporarily that everything doesn't revolve around him, and your mum actually has a life outside of him! Wink

JuxAlittleSparkler · 06/11/2011 13:24

Banana, from a different pov, if a parent I barely knew asked me to take their child until 9.30 on a Friday night because they were in a real fix, then I would probably say yes. I might even in the course of making the arrangements offer an overnight.

I know you are concerned about sending your child off to strangers' and you are quite right. On the other hand, you could take advice from her teacher over who to approach.

I would have been flattered to be asked (and then checked you out with dd's teacher before saying yes).

Sometimes you can make good friends with people as a result of an emergency.

Thumbwitch · 06/11/2011 14:33

So your Dad has backed down and this is no longer a problem? Thank goodness for that!

YWNBU, btw.

PeppaPigandGeorge · 06/11/2011 14:35

Actually, juxalittlesparkler makes a very good point - often you can make friends with people as a result of an emergency. I am also sad enough that I would be flattered to be asked!

bananaistheanswer · 07/11/2011 13:52

Hello all, Just a quick update.

I wanted to respond to all the points made, but don't have the time to do so. What I will say is that no, I don't accept the accusations being made re me being 'entitled, spoilt, selfish' etc. as I know that isn't who I am or how I act. I can take all the posts, good and bad, as I'm not upset by people feeling I am something I am not, so although I've had a bit of a 'pasting' it's not something that's upset me hugely. I knew posting in AIBU would attract those kinds of posts, so it's not all that surprising. I've a tough exterior, so I can hack it!

Anyway, what I will respond to is the suggestion that I am somehow impeding my parents' retirement dreams and plans, and denying them the retirement they have always dreamed of. Pardon me for saying it, but that's utter bollocks. Grin My dad still works, and needs to give some notice for his own employer/boss to take time off and 'whisk' my mum away. It's not my job or circumstance that on it's own prevents them from having that freedom - my dad's own job does that too. Had he spoken to me at the same time he put his own holiday request in with his boss, there wouldn't have been a problem. I can keep a secret, and would have been happy to go along with the 'surprise' for my mum, if he'd just thought to speak to me 1st. His trouble is he likes to be seen as the 'big hero' and thinks that he doesn't have to answer to anyone. I don't expect him to answer to me, but in this situation, he unfortunately does need to speak to me 1st so I can make alternative arrangements for childcare. It's a basic break down in communication IMO, and that's what I have now sorted with him. There is also the fact they are not restricted from jumping in their car and buggering off on a saturday, or get the train, or a flight, on any day other than a friday. To suggest I've killed the romance, or the whimsy of being able to just up sticks and go anywhere, is again, utter bollocks. The only restriction here is the package my dad saw, that only left on a friday. Anything else, and the options are pretty much unlimted, is fine. Even this package, if my dad had spoken to me at the same time he requested his holiday, is do-able. I don't begrudge them their getaways at all, and have tried to come up with an alternative that would mean they could get away on saturday, or the friday the week after but it's all on hold for now.

Also, the implication that I have pressured my mum, or both parents, into helping me in lieu of money I should otherwise be paying for childcare - again, utter bollocks! Grin Our family situation is complex, with a bit of a sad history that makes this set up difficult for me personally. effectively, tehre is more pressure on me from ym parents thant there is by me to them. My DD is the youngest of 4 grand kids. My parents have been denied contact with the eldest 3 by my 'D'B and his fruitloop bitch of a 'wife' and the pain that caused them both affects how they are with my DD. And me. They spent years tip-toeing around both 'D'B and the psychobitch bending over backwards for them both, only for them to then chuck their toys out the pram when my DD came along. Their pain and guilt at losing their other GCs taints everything they do re my DD, and that's very difficult to get a balance on. Whenever I've taken a step back, to give them space, to not 'crowd' them, I get panicky phonecalls and texts, making sure I am OK and they will see DD. The both dote on my DD, and can't go more than a week without seeing her. That can get quite restricting for me but I know how keenly felt their pain is, and would never deny them when they want to see DD. I've seen 'entitled, spoilt and selfish' close up and I can categorically state that is not how I am or how I behave when it comes to my parents.

My mum loves being a gran, and loves being needed for DD, for all the above reasons. At times, she can get quite knackered, and when that has happened I take time off, or swap my days round, telling her I need the time off to do something etc. I've never told her it was for her benefit, as she gets quite annoyed with me suggesting that maybe DD was too much when she was still working. I regularly checked to see she was still OK with things, and still happy to continue with the arrangement, and she always, always confirmed she was. My mum's conversations at work were all about DD, and the funny thigns she did or said when she collceted her on a friday. My DD is a huge source of entertainment for my mum, and everyone she worked with probably knew DD inside out due to how much my mum talked about her. My mum gets so much from her time with DD (and it's more precious to her now because of what's heppened in the past) that I cannot simply say, things don't work, I'll sort other childcare. It would cause a massive blow out and a lot of hurt. As I've said, I never used to rely on my parents for childcare, and was never keen to go down that route initially. But, my mum was keen to help me, as she knew I was struggling with the transition from nursery to school, and I also knew that it meant a lot to my mum to be able to do this. It was 1 afternoon a week, and was a massive help to me when things were incredibly difficult. My ex was supposed to be taking 1 day pick up per week, but backed out at the last minute. My CM almost folded up her business just before school started as she lost mindees, and was struggling to get other business in. I didn't want to use ASC as I felt my DD was too young when she first started school, and at the time I didn't have a clue where to find any ASC. I was pretty much screwed, and my mum came to my 'rescue'. It was never going to be a permanent thing, only supposed to be a help while I sorted other cover out, but my mum enjoyed it, and loved it, and it eventually became a permanent set up. And it isn't a permanent set up anyway as life is never constant. It does leave me vulnerable, but the plus side to this set up, for my DD and both my parents is worth it IMO. The only real curve ball has been the sudden loss of the fantastic flexibility I previously enjoyed at work coupled with my dad not really thinking his 'surprise' through to consider my mum's committment to picking up DD, and thinking to speak to me about it. And not to ask, but to tell me to sort out something else as it's not my place to dictate to them ignoring the implication of my thread title

So, after this lenghty rambling, the latest update is that I did speak to my boss earlier today and he has confirmed that in order for me to be allowed to change my work pattern from a long friday to 2 short days on the thurs/fri to cover this scenario, he will need as much notice as I can give him, but at the very least, a minimum of 2 weeks. That's workable from my POV, as my dad needs at least that from his own work too. And, I've been pretty blunt with my dad to tell him he needs to talk to me and let me in on things as it does affect me too. That might seem selfish or entitled to some, but that's up to you. I know I'm not, so ner ner ner ner ner! I'm also exploring other options re the spur of the moment kind of childcare that this situation would need. I'll be making sure both DD and I are both happy with whoever I find, before I need to use them.

So, I hope this answers everyone's q's, and anyone who has asked somethign I haven't answered, sorry.

Grin
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otchayaniye · 07/11/2011 13:57

yep, definitely spoilt. i see it even clearer now.

Thumbwitch · 07/11/2011 13:57

Erm, yes you did just fail to confirm that your parents are NOT going away this weekend and that you no longer have a problem? Wink

bananaistheanswer · 07/11/2011 13:59

And excuse the typos...

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bananaistheanswer · 07/11/2011 14:02

Aye, OK, I'm spoilt. 'Nuf said.

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callmemrs · 07/11/2011 14:02

Yes that last post makes it even clearer.
I feel Sorry for your parents! Obviously you cant see that OP !!

bananaistheanswer · 07/11/2011 14:04

No they aren't going this w/e, and so no, I don't have a problem any more. So, yes, I'm just a spoilt, entitled, selfish 38yr old brat. Grin

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TheOriginalFAB · 07/11/2011 14:05

How is she spoilt?

boschy · 07/11/2011 14:09

I dont think banana is spoilt, selfish, entitled etc - sounds to me as if they have sorted it all out beautifully. they're all happy; what's not to like?

diddl · 07/11/2011 14:10

I think if things are working well, that´s OK.

Would let them have your daughter to fill the gap of the other GC though.

That doesn´t sound healthy at all.

Does your dad realise how reliant you are on your mum for the friday care?
Can´t see why he wouldn´t have thought about how it would affect you.

Thumbwitch · 07/11/2011 14:12

Can't see why anyone feels sorry for the OP's parents with respect to her behaviour - strange.

Thanks banana for the clarification re the weekend and no you're not.

Your brother sounds horrendous though - I AM :( for your parents about him and his DC.

bananaistheanswer · 07/11/2011 14:44

diddle My dad is pretty much oblivious to what goes on around him, other than to think about what he wants. That sounds like a massive criticism but he's never been the sort to think outside of what he thinks is right/wrong etc. He gets home early quite a lot on a friday and would often take my mum by car to collect DD, so he's been a big part of the pick ups as well. He loves my DD to bits, has a far better relationship with DD than he had with the other 3, and 99% of the time is more than happy to have her there on a friday. She can be a bit of a handful at times, and on those occasions he's not too happy, but never to the point where he would have insisted I don't ask my mum to help out anymore, or refuse my mum's offer of help.

Agreed the reliance on DD by GPs isn't ideal, but there isn't a lot I can do about that tbh. My DD benefits from having a very close relationship with them both, and me being a bit uncomfortable about how much she means to them isn't really a justifiable reason for me to put more space between them. It has caused me problems in the past but I've had to just not let that affect me or DD, as the alternative doesn't bear thinking about. It would destroy them to lose DD (which is how they would view me changing things around, not spending time with them etc. - that's how they would view this change, even if they implied by their actions that this is what they would prefer). It might well be what they would like to allow them to just bugger off on a whim, but it wouldn't be long before I'd be getting messages asking why I haven't seen them, them being worried they've done something that means I have cut them off etc. It's complicated, and tbh, no great hardship to me to maintain the closeness of their relationship as they seem to want/need. It just gets tricky when this is then viewed as a reason stopping them from getting away, when they would then kick off if I made that change. I've been accused by my dad of trying to upset my mum by not seeing them over a period of 3 weeks in the past - we were just busy, and I didn't think of giving them a running commentary on my whereabouts! I am sometimes stuck between a rock and a hard place with them, but when their intentions are genuine, it's hard to then throw that back at them. I hope that makes sense? The bottom line is, their help is a huge help to me, and DD benefits from that as well. They also get a lot from it, and it's all about getting that balance right so we all get along OK. not always easy, but I try my best! I'm more than willing and able to accommodate their semi-retirement as a couple, and have established a way to do that with my dad now, so for future getaways, they will happen.

thumbwitch my 'D'B and his psychobitch wife are a whole other thread... it's been 6 years this month, and not much easier to deal with.

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otchayaniye · 07/11/2011 14:53

i think banana may take after her self-centered father Wink

PeppaPigandGeorge · 07/11/2011 14:54

Then he has nothing to complain about!!!

Thumbwitch · 07/11/2011 14:54

oh give it a rest, otchayaniye - in what way do you believe she is being selfish and spoilt exactly, hmm?

bananaistheanswer · 07/11/2011 14:58

Of course I do, otchayaniye. You are so insightful, it's spooky Grin

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ChippingInNeedsSleep · 07/11/2011 15:11

Banana it makes perfect sense to me. Everything you have said. I don't think you are remotely selfish, entitled or spoilt. I think you are just trying bloody hard to do the right thing for everyone. If I were you, I'd hide this thread now because it will go on and on and on - people will post without reading anything but your OP and you'll just end up defending yourself - it wont be pretty Grin

Noodlemacdoodle · 07/11/2011 15:13

I have sympathy! However as is this a one-off it would be ideal if you had a friend who could help you out? Or take the day off yourself?

Thumbwitch · 07/11/2011 15:16

PMSL at the juxtaposing of those last two posts! Grin

FrozenChocolate · 07/11/2011 15:28

fantastic timing chipping and noodle!!!