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AIBU?

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to be sat here crying at the thought of putting my baby in nursery

386 replies

pinkyp · 17/10/2011 11:21

my 2nd ds is 10 months, i've just gone and got myself a good job only problem is they only had full time available. I start next week. I'm sat in floods of tears looking at all the nurerys online - they dont look good enough, cant bare the thought of going to one, no one will be able to look after him like i do. What about when he's being naughty they wont love him they'll dislike him for being naughty.

I feel like running away, tempted to go get in bed and hide. Please help me get a grip.

OP posts:
flipandfill · 18/10/2011 13:38

I hate this guilt some women try to pile on each other- we all have different choices and methods in bringing up our children and they are all worthy- so why can't we just support each other.... Mothers guilt is bad enough anyway. Go to work- your children will be fine it they have a caring mother, stay at home, same- caring mother = fine children..

I have worked in many nurseries, I was a bank worker, and have never seen a child left to cry, I have rocked children off to sleep, I have cuddled them and treated them as if they were my own.. When they cried an adult would pick them up, cuddle them or distract them... We read to them, played with them.. The children were happy. We got to know them, in the baby room each baby had a key worker and you would get to know them. If a nursery has a low staff turn over- it is very telling and one to get your child into. There are some great childcare providers and some not so great ones.

To the OP, YANBU by being upset, it is scary leaving a child in the care of a stranger but you will get used to it, your child will get used to it and maybe you will enjoy the change.

KCEHNR · 18/10/2011 14:01

The topic is taboo - but it really doesn't deserve any special status. Not discussing nursery standards can only be detrimental for the babies enrolled there. Sorry, but mothers should have thicker skins - their feelings simply aren't as important as their babies' welfare.

I would welcome a Panorama special on nurseries.

AnxiousElephant · 18/10/2011 14:18

YANBU to think about this or feel like this, I felt the same with dd1. By DD2 I realised that there are lots of wonderfull nurseries or childminders who would occupy my children if necessary but since I became one for a while I didn't need them. I went back to work PT and opted for a nanny because I felt they would be more settled in their own home.

DuelingFanjo · 18/10/2011 14:23

KCEHNR - so is it your aim to make people aware that nurseries are bad? All nurseries?
I just wondered where you are coming from on this, you think nurseries are bad places for children or you think the majority of nurseries are bad?

DuelingFanjo · 18/10/2011 14:25

Or do you mean that you would welcome a Panorama special on baby care in Nurseries, as you have already said that you think it's ok for older children who don't need one to one attention and can cope with it better?

hobnobsaremyfavourite · 18/10/2011 14:26

They did one ..... panorama that is..... a while back. It exposed a few duff nurseries.....and the thousands of good ones continue to operate and care brilliantly for hundreds of children every day,

MrsMooo · 18/10/2011 14:26

KCEHNR, I agree we shouldn't treat nursery standards as taboo and we should discuss the positive aspects and how to find them, and how to stop/pick up on the bad points of places that are to be avoided. That's the only way we can improve the provision of places and standard of care

The key word though is discussion: making blanket statements that all nurseries are institutions on a par with Romanian orphanages in the 80's as some posters propose, and that no child under two can not be cared for properly in a nursery setting is not a discussion

I have a thick skin, I am happy that my child was given good care in a good setting. Yes, he would have had more 1:1 time at home with me, but he had a good amount of 1:1 time with his key worker, and with me - adn had things been different financially I may have chosen to work p/t or not at all. But we all make descisions on what suits us best at the time

As Flipandfil said, why can't we just support each other and concentrate on how to get better care for our DC's rather than deriding others parenting choices

MrsMooo · 18/10/2011 14:31

on the one on one attention note - what do you think CM's or people with more than one DC do? 1:1 attention isn't the be all and end all...

hobnobsaremyfavourite · 18/10/2011 14:33

Only my PFB had 1 to 1 attention and given that I had hideous PND even that was questionable the others have had to share me from day 1 and do you know what they seem all the better for it. 1 to 1 attention is this holy grail that I think in fact only exists in some pollyanna parrallel universe.

jasminerice · 18/10/2011 14:44

OP's feelings, ie crying at thought of leaving her baby in childcare are there for a very good reason ie to tell her she is doing the wrong thing. She should listen to her feelings and do what they are telling her ie to not leave her baby.

She doesn't seem to be returning to a job after maternity leave, she has got a new job which she says she needs. But what if she hadn't got the job? She would presumably have managed financially. So she wants not needs the job. She has a choice.

MrsMooo · 18/10/2011 14:50

Jasminerice, the OP has said she does not have a choice and needs to go back to work. Why she's going to a new job and not her orginal one is irrelivant. She's made a choice for whatever reason to return to work and the question posed was not:should I not go back but help me get a grip

I cried at the thought of having to put the bins out the other day, doesn't mean that it's a sign I should start living like stig of the dump, it means I needed someone to tell me that the situation wasn't as overwhelming as I felt in that moment and I'd be ok

KCEHNR · 18/10/2011 14:55

Yes, I think baby care in nurseries is the real issue, Dueling.

I think my DS will enjoy nursery when the time comes - but at a point when he can tell me whether he likes or hates it and when he's at an age where he can benefit from the social aspect. I would also not want him to be in FT, and to have some 1:1 care, say with a nanny, or with me. But that's not everyone's option.

jasminerice · 18/10/2011 14:59

MrsMoo, are you really trying to suggest that putting your bins out once a week is as heart wrenching as leaving your 10 month old baby in full time childcare? Are you that attached to your bins? You are a strange one if so.

DuelingFanjo · 18/10/2011 15:11

MrsMoo was making a point that crying does not = doing the wrong thing.

Out of interest Jasmine, are you saying that in this case because the OP is upset she is doing the wrong thing or that in All cases putting a child that age into a nursery would be doing the wrong thing (tears fromn the parents or otherwise)?

TandB · 18/10/2011 15:12

I don't think this topic is remotely taboo. If it was, then there would be fewer emotive "day orphanages" type posts.

I would absolutely welcome full and frank discussion of the pros and cons of different childcare options and providers. The problem is that this rarely happens as certain people know that it is an emotive topic for those approaching this decision for the first time, and they know that the quickest way to derail a thread is to post a one-line, think-of-the-poor-babbies type comment and then step back and watch the fun.

I don't think all nurseries are good. I think some are probably terrible.
I don't think all children will thrive in nursery.
I don't think all children need to be in nursery.

I do think that many nurseries are good or excellent.
I do think that many children will thrive in nursery.
I do think that some children may actively benefit from being in nursery.

I have to say that I find it hard to believe that the majority of parents have absolutely no idea if their child is receiving sub-standard care. There have been many posts on MN where someone says "AIBU about this nursery issue? Oh and by the way I have been unhappy with x issue, y issue and z issue for some time now." If alarm bells are ringing about a nursery then the parent has a duty to follow up on their concerns - if they fail to do so then they are effectively colluding in the sub-standard care of their child. That is very sad, but should not be used as a stick to beat those parents who have taken every precaution in choosing the best possible environment for their child. I am not saying that poor care will ALWAYS be obvious, but I don't for one minute believe that the majority of nurseries are devious, abuse-hiding establishments populated by children with entirely unsuspecting parents.

As I mentioned earlier, our nursery has parents arriving at all sorts of random times and they never bat an eyelid. Ever since DS has been there (6 months onwards) my work has meant that I could arrive at any point from lunchtime onwards on any given day. I have never seen anything that has caused me even a heartbeat of concern. What I have seen is DS being cuddled, played with, entertained and engaged, along with every other child there.

Had I ever seen anything that caused me concern I would have addressed it. If it continued then I would have removed him and taken the time to find somewhere better. No doubt some people will fall over themselves to tell me I am deluded and that I am choosing to close my eyes to my child's misery and stress at being dumped in nursery from such a tender age. They can tell me that till they are blue in the face, but quite frankly it won't wash with me since I prefer the evidence of my own eyes and ears to the random, generalised opinion of someone on the internet. And I can't imagine what would make me think DS was unhappy at nursery when he shouts "nursery - yay!" when we arrive, when he witters on incessantly about 3 of his carers in particular, when he runs into nursery and throws himself on one of his little friends or one of his carers and when he runs open-armed towards his key-worker if we bump into her outside nursery.

Sweeping generalisations help no-one to make any sort of rational, balanced decision about childcare. What would help would be a recognition that every child, every family and every childcare provider is different, and that any decision around these issues should be made with every aspect considered on its own merits, not on the basis of "all nurseries are.." or "all childminders are..."

projectbabyweight · 18/10/2011 15:15

(sorry haven't read all the thread)

YANBU to feel sad, poor you. Is there no way you can wangle it financially to stay at home?

My dsis and BIL put everything on credit so she could be at home till the dc were at school, banking on being able to pay it off afterwards, and now they have. But everyone has different feelings about debt, their attitude is rather "casual" to say the least!

DuelingFanjo · 18/10/2011 15:22

presumably the OP, with 2 children, needs to work? and it's only 2 days in nursery. I guess the older child is in school not getting any 1:1 attention either.

pipoca · 18/10/2011 15:52

DS went to nursery 9am to 1.30pm mon to fri from 2.5 y.o and would, I think have been fine from 18 months. We're in Spain and ratios are much higher even in municipal nurseries...maybe 14 or so with 2 carers for over 1s. DD will go from 16 months and I'm very happy with the standard of care, but even at that nursery (which I think is really excellent) I am very glad I don't have to send her til 16 months. Nursery is no place for babies and I'm glad it's not an issue for us. No childminders here either, so nursery or SAHM.

jasminerice · 18/10/2011 16:23

Dueling, I think it's doing the wrong thing in ALL cases putting a baby into nursery at such a young age. I think the OP and many other mums know in their hearts it's wrong, it goes against all your instincts as a mother, hence the tears.

A poster upthread said her young baby was fine at nursery because he had no idea who was feeding, changing him etc. That is so ignorant and wrong it is scary. Of course a baby knows who his mother is, by her smell, sound, touch and sight. He knows perfectly well when somebody else is feeding him etc. And of course if he could speak he would say he would rather his mother looked after him.

projectbabyweight · 18/10/2011 16:30

I wish it were different, but I have to say I agree with what jasminerice says. It's a real shame in terms of women's (well parents' but realistically women's) freedom! But from what I've been taught about child development, that's my conclusion.

Age is a really important factor, I wouldn't want to say 2 or 3 years because I just don't know, but there is presumably an age when it's much less of a problem, and could even be beneficial socially.

herecomesthsun · 18/10/2011 16:35

My DS went to nursery from 7 months, half time. I work full time. It worked for us.

TandB · 18/10/2011 16:38

Nope, sorry to disappoint the hand-wringers but I don't 'know in my heart' that it was wrong to put DS in nursery.

Actually I am pretty chuffed at the way things turned out and wish I could afford to give this next baby a similar opportunity if he turns out to be of a similar temperament to DS.

But hey, what do I know? I'm probably just deluded.

hayleysd · 18/10/2011 16:42

Look on childcare.co.uk or childmindinghelp.co.uk for Childminder/nurseries or your local fis, not all have websites.

DuelingFanjo · 18/10/2011 16:48

Ah, jasminerice... that explains it then.
I thought so.

MrsMooo · 18/10/2011 16:52

Jasmine, I did not say that he had no idea who was feeding etc, I said he had little awareness - at that age people are generally catagorised into Mum and dad and not Mum and Dad to the baby. I BF DS till he was 18m so he most certainly knew the difference between me and anyone else :)

I was not saying that putting the bins out was the same, as dueling said it's an analogy about crying not actually meaning something is wrong, and actually it was the trigger point of feeling overwhelmed about coping with being a single parent not just putting the bins out, but that's not relevant to the discussion.

The question I always want to ask is why are you so sure that only the mother can care properly for a child, what about the father, or the GPs, or adoptive parents? Or if it's the 1:1 care that's the issue, what about families with multiple children. IMO, if you love a child and care about it, you can care for it well - especially if you've been trained to encourage and develop them

We all want to provide our children with the best care IN OUR OPINION, I don't feel the need to bash mum's who choose to stay at home, (in fact I think they do a very hard often thankless task and are undervalued) so why deride those that choose, be it for financial or personal reasons, to WOH?