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to think perhaps working mothers should have priority when it comes to nursery places??

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SJaneS · 11/10/2011 11:49

My OH has a new job starting the end of next month - its a big role and more money (good news!) but a long commute which means during the working week we won't see much of him. Currently he does the drop off and pick up from our childminder three days a week and our 3 year old daughter is in the local nursery the other two days.

I don't drive and will have to do the childminder drop off and pick up which will involve a two hour journey for three days a week (its in the next village and we have an infrequent bus and train service). We live in a village where everyone is relatively well off and the majority of the other local mothers I know have been able financially to choose to stay at home. I completely respect that and if we were in a different position then I'd prefer to be bringing up our daughter. As it is I work a five day week.

We have one nursery and one childminder in the village. Nursery places are allocated on a first come first served basis so completely democratically. The only other local working mother I know has an equally complicated juggle to source and get to good childcare. There are no spare days at the local nursery and many of the children there come from homes where the mother isn't out to work.

I fully believe that each child has the right to good nursery provision. I know that looking after a child/children full time is bl$$dy hard work and women need and deserve a respite. On the other hand in the current situation part of me does feel that working mothers should be given some form of priority when it comes to nursery places. Is that very wrong??!

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altinkum · 11/10/2011 15:44

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Bugsy2 · 11/10/2011 15:47

No problem with opinions - I just object to name calling.

altinkum · 11/10/2011 15:51

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SJaneS · 11/10/2011 15:57

I'm sure you do. Self righteous??!

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Bugsy2 · 11/10/2011 15:59

no one has disagreed with you altinkum!

Yes, SJaneS, I think childcare is a problem for alot of working parents. As a single working mum, I sweat buckets if it goes wrong. I'm not sure what the solutions are though. Some countries have state run nurseries, but not everyone wants that for their babies / children. At certain times my daily commute, including drop offs & pick ups has been 4 hours a day - which was nuts & not sustainable long-term. In all honesty, I wouldn't know where to start making the system better though.

SJaneS · 11/10/2011 16:11

actually, I did disagree with altinkum but that probably had something to do with being called names at the time!

completely understand where you are coming from Bugsy - I was on my own with my much older daughter for ten years as a single working parent. There isn't any other option though other than just cope and get on with though is there? Not sure state run nurseries are an answer either but certain other European countries have so much better sytems for childcare provision and support for parents. Whereas things seem set to just become worse for parents. hey ho! Emigration isn't an option either (can't speak a foreign language, can't drive....no end to my talents!)

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Hungrydragon · 11/10/2011 16:17

10 years as a single working parent with no drivers licence? Shock Surely you jest! Such a thing cannot be possible! SJaneS Wink

OriginalGhoster · 11/10/2011 16:22

Let me get this clear, the child minder is an hour and a half away from OP's house? Is that near where you work at all? I don't understand, that's a long way to drive (petrol£ and time wise) twice a day, you must be earning well to cover childcare and petrol!

SJaneS · 11/10/2011 16:24

when you're living in London which I was at the time Hungrydragon its entirely possible! V luckily met the OH in time for the teenage years who has been extremely kind with his time as a taxi service - so I do owe him! have got to the point now with the much older one where she's only home about one day a week to empty fridge contents but am looking hugely forward to another set of teenage years. By then I'll be an old lady though so hopefully will take it all very mellow!

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OriginalGhoster · 11/10/2011 16:27

My mum lives about an hour and a half away, I never considered her for looking after the dcs in the day as it's so far. I can't believe that's going to be a sustainable plan, combined with the fact that your dh is going to be away most of the working week.

SJaneS · 11/10/2011 16:31

no original, the childminder is in the next town. Depending on the school run its a 15-30 minute drive to get there from homr then I'd have to do a similar journey backwards. Not long journeys in themselves but worse case scenario with bad traffic and hold ups in the high street the travel by car could be up to one hour and a half.

If there was no chilminder in a journey less than an hour and a half away it would be a dire situation indeed!

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Pootles2010 · 11/10/2011 16:35

How long is the waiting list OP?! That's ridiculous. Might it be worth considering being a childminder yourself?

Obviously the market for it!

OriginalGhoster · 11/10/2011 16:35

Blush thanks for explaining...

sunshineandbooks · 11/10/2011 16:39

Is there anyone else in the village with a similar problem? Once you are talking about childcare for two children rather than just one, there isn't that much difference between paying for a nanny and paying for a CM. It becomes even more cost-effective if you have 3 children involved.

If you shared the nanny costs with another parent, it would solve travelling costs completely (and in doing so would probably more than cover the costs of paying NI and tax on the nanny's salary).

Just a thought. Not necessarily appropriate if you're using vouchers or tax credits to help pay for childcare, though you can get the nanny OFSTED-registered so that you could claim tax credits for this purpose.

minimisschief · 11/10/2011 16:41

nursery isn't a day care center so yabu

altinkum · 11/10/2011 16:50

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chobbler · 11/10/2011 17:03

I don't work anymore, would love to but disability prevents it. I was branded a SAHM by some of the workers and made to feel in the way. they barged in and out and acted like the nursery was only there because of their patronage. Screeching into and out of the car park, always on the phone, ignoring their children. What they didn't see was the online business I was running, and tearing my hair out trying to do bookwork and keep an eye on a toddler, the terminally ill grandparent who lived 15 miles away that we were supporting by taking them to appointments, treatments etc. And the Health I was trying unsuccessfully to restore with physio and treatment. The nursery were a stable environment for DD. they didn't care what I did between 9 and 12 as long as I paid my bills on time and didn't take a sick child to them (like many working mums did). like everyone here I would love to be able to be a SAHM 24/7. but without a break from me my kids would have been driven insane, and I would have too.

but for you....

ideas from experiences of other working parents I know from playground.

is there a childminder local to you who can collect?
Childminder close to your work who could collect from your work? ( how do you get to work?) or depending on the actual commute a childminder near hubbies work?
( I know of at least 3 kids who went to a kids club/nursery held in the middle of a large business park who come in with parents and stay from 8 till 6) they still go for school holidays. think it is called kids club.

contact your nearest surestart centre who can give you details of people near you. in fact I think OFSTED check people out so they may have it on the search function like you can do for schools.

SJaneS · 11/10/2011 17:07

I have absolutely no problems with people disagreeing with me at all - I did put forward the question and I take others opinions on board as well. And whether people agreed with me or not, the majority did it politely. You however were extremely rude!

Also, most intelligent people can get understand a point without the help of you putting words into caps! Its the written equivalent of shouting.

I think we've both said quite enough - don't you?!

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chobbler · 11/10/2011 17:07

or like someone else has suggested sounds like there is a niche for childminders in your area...

porcamiseria · 11/10/2011 17:12

yabu, as its not the kids fault is it? move to a big city

Sleepglorioussleep · 11/10/2011 17:19

To put my cards on the table, I had my dd one day a week at nursery at a time when she was Pre free place. I did start working but the intention was to give me some breathing space. A lot was going on at the time and it was the day of nursery kept me sane. Yes, a luxury but in this world not everything everyone has is a necessity. And if the nursery had tried to squeeze us out because I wasn't working? Can't even imagine it. Would they ask for an employers letter? Op, one of the reasons yabu on top of all the others is that you haven't thought through how it would all work. If your op was "isn't it frustrating that there isn't enough childcare in my area for everyone who wants it?" you may have discovered greater levels of support. As it is, it's a post about your belief that your needs are greater than the other parents in your area. They may or may not be-impossible to judge.

MuddlingMackem · 11/10/2011 17:20

minimisschief

nursery isn't a day care center so yabu

Tanith · 11/10/2011 18:06

You say you have a childminder in your village: haven't you contacted her?

JamieComeHome · 11/10/2011 18:12

I don't think this has been mentioned but it might be worth a thought - learning to drive an Automatic car (of course you then have to have an automatic car ....)

chobbler · 11/10/2011 18:14

have you been onto your nearest mumsnet local site and asked if there is anyone there who could help- childminder local to your work/ hubby new job, able to car share?

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