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AIBU?

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to feel like the four year old stage is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY harder than the "terrible twos" ?

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CheerfulYank · 03/10/2011 19:05

I just am really at my wit's end!

I posted a little bit ago about my son's constant arguing. I just hate it, my mom and brother had a terrible relationship and I don't want things to be like that; I don't want the kind of tension I grew up with in my home. And DS is only 4! And I work with children who have behavior issues! I feel like I should be able to handle things better. Blush

DS came home from preschool and was eating his lunch. (I was home from work because of a migraine :( ) He finished his lunch and I asked him to throw his sandwich crusts into the dog's bowl.

He refused "because I'll get my hands dirty!" (There was applesauce on the crusts, he's a messy eater :) ) I said well then you can wash them.

He refused again. I said "do what I asked you please." He started hopping up and down and screeching. I said "go upstairs until you're ready to do what I asked."

He ran up the stairs and stopped to yell down "I want my license!" (He has one of DH's old driver's licenses that he likes to play with.) I said that he could have it after he had put his plate away like I'd asked.

He ran downstairs screeching and tried to grab it anyway. I told him no firmly and said I would take it away. He picked it up and glared at me, I took it away and said he couldn't have it.

He grabbed his plate and went to dump it out into the dog's bowl. I told him to pick the crusts up with his fingers but he didn't want to; he dumped the whole plate over and got applesauce all over his foot. Cue screaming.

Sigh...I almost feel like I should namechange for this, it sounds so stupid when I write it down. But it is really hard because I feel like he's always in trouble for something, and I hate that! And when I've to ignore most behavior he slides more into outright defiance, etc.

Ugh! AIBU to just want to hide under a blanket all day? It;s not that I think things like this are terribly out of the ordinary, it's just that there are so many incidents every day and it's really wearing.

As far as the dirty-hands things goes, I'm beginning to think that he may be more sensitive than some to things like that. DH hates anything dirty or slimy on his hands and washed them constantly, and I think DS may have some of that too. He doesn't mind actual dirt and is okay with fingerpaint, but other slimy/sticky things he doesn't like. So in the future I will help him or tell him to use his spoon to fling them off or something.

But the whole refusal to do things, the arguing, the backtalk...it just feels constant and it's really hard. And on top of that DH is gone on a business trip for three days. Ugh.

Help!

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SexualHarrassmentPandaPop · 03/10/2011 19:11

YADDDDDNBU! DD who has just turned 4 is exactly the same - she has just started backchatting and wanting to argue over the most minor things. We did the half an hour walk to nursery in silence the other day because I refused to speak to her until she stopped trying to argue, whingeing and complaining the whole time. I'm just trying to be consistent with consequences for unwanted behaviour and lots of praise for good behaviour which I think is working. I think the heat is making her ratty too.

NestaFiesta · 03/10/2011 19:12

YANBU. When my 5yo was 4 it was a nightmare. Far worse than the terrible twos because back then he couldn't argue and had a nap every day.

In the book "Raising Boys" it says that 4 yo boys get a surge of testosterone at that age, hence the interests in winning and superheroes. It made a lot of sense to me.

I can tell you though, that now he is 5 he has calmed down a bit. He still has tantrums, but not so many. He is in a good peer group and not half the hard work he was at four.

It goes- Terrible Twos, Threenagers and the Fg Fours.

CheerfulYank · 03/10/2011 19:22

:o

Oh thank you for that, both of you.

I will check out the 'Raising Boys' book. I could use it I'm sure!

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CheerfulYank · 03/10/2011 19:55

That is exactly is lady ! It's just relentless...

DS does the whole faces thing and spitting too, and nonsense insults "No I won't do it, you spakka bakka!" Wth? Confused

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HerHissyness · 03/10/2011 19:57

am seeing flashes of SIX...

cottonreels · 03/10/2011 20:03

Only have a terrible 2 so feel free to ignore me...
I wonder if in the situation you described that in his mind, he backed down, emptied the crusts in the bowl, but as he was doing that the goalposts changed, now (obviously still in his mind) he had to do it in a specfic way too.
I realise thats just one incident and im sure there are thousands more where that wouldnt apply.
Sorry. probably no use at all Blush

CheerfulYank · 03/10/2011 20:06

I have no idea Cotton ...his behavior is mostly baffling to me!

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SexualHarrassmentPandaPop · 03/10/2011 20:11

I think they're just testing how far they can push it personally.
I'm doing a positive parenting course on Thursday for my voluntary work but I'll be listening out for anything that might be of use at home. I'll come back on and tell you all if I learn anything good!

pollyblue · 03/10/2011 20:11

My dd is 4 and a half, just started school. In many ways she is lovely and cheerfully and affectionate, but I could cheerfully throttle her a lot of the time too. She regularly ignores me - despite me clearly repeating myself - snatches toys from her younger sisters, pushes them over, will standing shouting for me over and over again in the middle of the garden rather than coming inside to find me, talks over everyone and if you ask her to stop talking and wait a sec, will put her hands over her ears and pretend she can't hear you.....We have the naughty step, consequences etc, she certainly doesn't get away with it, but she doesn't seem inclined to stop either.

She still has pretty awful screaming tantrums too (to be fair, usually when she's tired or hot)- her Dad recorded her having one at the weekend and played it back to her when she'd calmed down, and it actually scared her. So he said, "that's exactly what Mummy and I have to listen to everytime you have the ab-dabs" - I'm hoping that might have sunk in a bit....

Yes, written down it all sounds a bit petty and I probably make life a bit more trying for myself because there are some things I consider really important - like respect, good manners - so if she's being rude to me I'll always pull her up on it. I'm hoping it wil be worth it in the long run - please someone tell me it will be! Grin

Cheerful I had a spell of ignoring too, mainly so i didn't have to listen to myself banging on all the time, but had no effect.

SexualHarrassmentPandaPop · 03/10/2011 20:15

Yep hands over the ears here to (drives dh mad in particular). And pulling her up on interrupting/telling her we can't do something or she can't have something she wants when it's physically impossible equals full scale tantrum complete with foot stamping, door slamming and rolling on the floor.
But a lot of the time she's also adorable.

CheerfulYank · 03/10/2011 20:18

That's how I feel too Polly...I don't want to fight with him all the time but I'm just not okay with him being really disrespectful.

We just started back at work/school last month...he's in two schools now, one on MWF (from 8-10:30) and one TR (from 8-12). I work 8-12 every day so on MWF my FIL or DH picks him up and watches him til I get home. I don't know if the craziness of the schedule is wearing on him?

Also he usually gets up around 7 every morning and I've told DH he needs to be sleeping by 8, otherwise his behavior is much worse. But DH doesn't get home at night til 6, so he says he doesn't get enough time with DS.

Wow...I'm just getting it all out there! Feels good. :) The thing is too, I want to start trying for another baby and some point and I would like things to be a bit more settled before then...it feels like we're flying by the seat of our pants all the time.

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CheerfulYank · 03/10/2011 20:19

Yes PandaPop ... DS is also adorable. It helps. :)

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PontyMython · 03/10/2011 20:24

Just marking place to whinge later - too tired right now as I'm sitting outside 4yo DD's bedroom while she FINALLY drifts off to sleep Confused

pollyblue · 03/10/2011 20:32

oooh I'd forgotten about the door slamming - that's one of DD's newly discovered favourite things - always her bedroon door, always as loudly as possible. She'll then open it from time to time, shout "it's not fair!" or something like, and give the door a bloody good slam again.

My SIL recommended laughing at her when she gets into a strop - her sons hated her laughing at them, rather than getting cross, they did sort of lose the incentive to have a paddy. Did try that but no joy......

It's hard isn't it? I want to cut her a bit of slack because I know she's going through a lot of change re starting school and is getting tired, but equally there will always be something won't there? And I don't want to get into the habit of using tiredness etc as an excuse for her to treat me - or anyone else - like rubbish.

Sighs. Passes large Wine to cheerful and anyone else in need....

SexualHarrassmentPandaPop · 03/10/2011 20:35

I very much wish that I had somehow managed to keep dd from discovering the phrase 'it's nooooot fair!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!'

mummytowillow · 03/10/2011 21:04

Oh I feel for you! My four year old daughter back chats all the time, says no to everything I ask her do and getting dressed for school is another whole story!! Wink

How do you deal with it all, I never seem to follow anything through, so give me some tips please!!

SexualHarrassmentPandaPop · 03/10/2011 21:08

Here's how I deal with it. Not getting dressed - tv off, toys removed etc to be returned once dressed. Saying no - I ask dd to do something and if she says no I say 'I'll rephrase that - I would like you to do x and if you don't there will be x consequence' and loads of praise if she does something first time of asking.

itisnearlysummer · 03/10/2011 21:12

Oh I have this with DD too. She's just turned 5. DS was never an issue like this and sometimes I wonder what on earth I'm doing wrong.

Everything is a battle!

mummytowillow follow it through is the top tip. Only make threats you are prepared to keep, and then keep them. Unfortunately, my DD knows I will follow through and she still pushes and pushes. Don't lose your temper and don't let your DD see that she has riled you.

chicletteeth · 03/10/2011 21:13

You have my deepest sympathy.
My four year old is such hard work; don't remember my eldest being like this and really dread my baby turning into this.

Boo hoo

CheerfulYank · 03/10/2011 21:17

And I'm still feeling queasy from my migraine and DH is going to be gone til Wednesday and my phone won't charge and I need it to call and register DS for Tae Kwon Do which starts tomorrow and the house is a tip and I have zero energy!

And I only have one DC... Blush

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Beamur · 03/10/2011 21:17

Mine is going through a slightly cheeky phase...I am getting slightly tired of the silly - and mostly made up name calling - but with a stern telling off it is nipped in the bud.
On a lighter note, she will also do the contrary thing, but I don't argue, I'll just say go on then (and smile) at which point her natural sense of order kicks in. If rude, I will simply say that I'll not be doing the thing she wants until she is less rude.
I suspect my DD is not that hard to handle on this though.

HSMM · 03/10/2011 21:22

I loved 4. 12 has been quite nice so far too.

CheerfulYank · 03/10/2011 21:26

Beamur that's how I thought things would go too! :(

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Meglet · 03/10/2011 21:26

YANBU.

Yesterday 4.10 DS said to me that he didn't want to do anything 'good' for pasta pieces in his reward pot as he has too much stuff already.

However, if it's just me and him we can usually have a nice time (even days out in London). 3yo DD does tend to cause chaos when we're all together.

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