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AIBU?

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to feel like the four year old stage is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY harder than the "terrible twos" ?

178 replies

CheerfulYank · 03/10/2011 19:05

I just am really at my wit's end!

I posted a little bit ago about my son's constant arguing. I just hate it, my mom and brother had a terrible relationship and I don't want things to be like that; I don't want the kind of tension I grew up with in my home. And DS is only 4! And I work with children who have behavior issues! I feel like I should be able to handle things better. Blush

DS came home from preschool and was eating his lunch. (I was home from work because of a migraine :( ) He finished his lunch and I asked him to throw his sandwich crusts into the dog's bowl.

He refused "because I'll get my hands dirty!" (There was applesauce on the crusts, he's a messy eater :) ) I said well then you can wash them.

He refused again. I said "do what I asked you please." He started hopping up and down and screeching. I said "go upstairs until you're ready to do what I asked."

He ran up the stairs and stopped to yell down "I want my license!" (He has one of DH's old driver's licenses that he likes to play with.) I said that he could have it after he had put his plate away like I'd asked.

He ran downstairs screeching and tried to grab it anyway. I told him no firmly and said I would take it away. He picked it up and glared at me, I took it away and said he couldn't have it.

He grabbed his plate and went to dump it out into the dog's bowl. I told him to pick the crusts up with his fingers but he didn't want to; he dumped the whole plate over and got applesauce all over his foot. Cue screaming.

Sigh...I almost feel like I should namechange for this, it sounds so stupid when I write it down. But it is really hard because I feel like he's always in trouble for something, and I hate that! And when I've to ignore most behavior he slides more into outright defiance, etc.

Ugh! AIBU to just want to hide under a blanket all day? It;s not that I think things like this are terribly out of the ordinary, it's just that there are so many incidents every day and it's really wearing.

As far as the dirty-hands things goes, I'm beginning to think that he may be more sensitive than some to things like that. DH hates anything dirty or slimy on his hands and washed them constantly, and I think DS may have some of that too. He doesn't mind actual dirt and is okay with fingerpaint, but other slimy/sticky things he doesn't like. So in the future I will help him or tell him to use his spoon to fling them off or something.

But the whole refusal to do things, the arguing, the backtalk...it just feels constant and it's really hard. And on top of that DH is gone on a business trip for three days. Ugh.

Help!

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BreadCrumbsandButterBeans · 04/10/2011 22:34

Oh god, I'm glad it's just not me. I've been feeling like the worst mother in the world for weeks now.

Strangers in the street stop me to tell me how angelic my 4 year old twin girls are. But behind that sweet exterior are 2 argumentative, non-cooperative little girls that drive me to despair almost daily.

I had blamed the bad influence of peppa pig for their attitude change (they particularly love to copy the episode where peppa tips all her toys out on the floor, then rolls around laughing), but thanks for making me realise most 4 year olds go through this phase.

CheerfulYank · 05/10/2011 02:12

Glad I could help. :)

We only had a few incidents today. One was refusing to come in and put his shoes on, which wouldn't have been a huge deal but there were masses of bees around, and another was for pulling his underpants down and shrieking "look at my bottom! look at my penis!" with his tongue stuck out.

Sigh...it's a process, right?

Right?!

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Byeckerslike · 05/10/2011 04:19

I LOVE THIS THREAD

Ds is 3.5, i wrote every post in this thread....

CheerfulYank · 05/10/2011 05:23

Welcome, Byeckers . We know your pain. :)

It feels unimaginably good to get all this out and realize I am not a crappy mom, that this is "normal".

I wore him out today and got him to bed really early, so fingers crossed that helps. And now I'd better go myself. :)

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Byeckerslike · 05/10/2011 07:58

Goodnight Cheerful Yank, i am just eating my breakfast!

I am sick of the sound of my own voice, and the phrase 'I am/was just...'

DS dont do that, 'I'm just climbing under here' (sleeping dt's bouncy chair)

DS come and get your shoes on, we have to go 'im just

DS do you need a poo? No mummy. DS you look like you might, come on we will go and sit on the toilet and have a chat. I dont need mummy... 5 mins later... Mummy i have had a little accident....

Angry
valiumredhead · 05/10/2011 11:28

look at my bottom! look at my penis!

Grin
CheerfulYank · 05/10/2011 12:50

It loses its amusement factor after hearing it on a daily basis Valley . :o

DS does that too, Byeckers. "DS, put your sweatshirt on please." "I am finding my dragon's other wing." "You can look for it in two seconds." "But I'm just looking for his wing! I need to! I need to! I need to! Aaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh!"

Hmm
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northernrock · 05/10/2011 13:09

Can I join!!??
I actually came on here because I was about to post "how the hell do I get my 4 year old to stay in time out??"
He is being sooo argumentative and just unbelievably RUDE and I am putting him in his room for time out when he crosses the line (lately this has included spitting at me, head butting my legs, screaming etc).

I have tried sanctions eg taking away toys/ telly etc but it doesnt work as well because he hates being removed from the situation, but I have to hold the door shut so he doesnt come haring out.
Its like trying to restrain a wild animal. He bangs on the door and yells, but does then calm down, and apologises after.

But, yes, sorry, the whinging, the arguing, the "but..!" the total conviction that they are entitled to have what they want when they want it NOW!
And I really dont think its just boys either.

I too feel like a useless parent for the last 6 months Sad

CheerfulYank · 05/10/2011 13:18

Aw, Northern ! It is so hard isn't it!

I think it is part of the age; they have to assert that they are individual people and, in DS's words "I can do what I want! You do what you want, and I will do what I want!" Hmm

Of course realizing that it's a natural stage doesn't help when you're ready to run screaming from the house, does it?!

I have to get ready for work but someone will be along with good advice for you, I hope!

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GreenMonkies · 05/10/2011 13:20

My friend and I refer to them as the Fucking Fours. I didn't find the Twos very Terrible, but holy shit, 4 was strop city!

WhiteTrash · 05/10/2011 13:23

You dont know how glad I am to read this thread. Most my friends have girls so cant relate but my first son is 4.8 now and at 2 he was such a lovely sweet child. I never needed to tell him off for anything, people would always compliment me on how well behaved he was.

Then he turned 3 and had his first tantrum. It started going quite tits up by the end of three and by four I was on my knees (and pregnant. Didnt help matters).

I know my friends think I can sometimes be impatient with him (I think) but they dont know that Ive had to ask him 10 times over each time I need him to do something since 6 am, 5 hours before. When it goes on for that long you start (I start) snapping by the second excuse of why hes not done what Ive asked.

He IS getting better now (thank fuck), but he still has his moments. Hes regressed a bit this last week (started school) so we've sat him down and gently explained consequences. This is working now. 8 months ago it did not.

I have just bought 'raising boys'.

fishandlilacs · 05/10/2011 13:34

I hated it when dd was 2.5 to 3.5 but since she turned four and started school she's been an utter delight. She was a definate "threenager".

I have no idea what it's like for boys though-i'm shortly to find out though. 27 weeks pregnant with a DS in there. I have heard boy babies are more chilled.....

northernrock · 05/10/2011 13:35

I really dont know if in general boys are worse.
I think I just have this fear deep down that if ds doesn't help with the tidying/expects to have everything his way all the time, he will go out into the world a horrible selfish man in a string vest expecting his wife to clean up after him.
This is totally unreasonable of me as actually on the whole he is a sweet, thoughtful and kind boy.
I just have a terror of raising a crap man!

northernrock · 05/10/2011 13:36

Aaaargh. My neurosis is what's screwing him up, isn't it?
It's OK. You can tell me.

sherbetpips · 05/10/2011 13:41

school helps - at four years old they are sooo ready for a more structured day and we found that school really calmed him down (despite the fact he had been in full time nursery). Just the simply concept of doing what he was told seemed a lot easier for him to cope with once he started school.

timetoask · 05/10/2011 13:51

Oh, thank you for this thread.

DH and I keep thinking that if DS2 is THIS argumentative at 4.8, then we REALLY need to start preparing for the teenage years, cos it aint gonna be easy.

I kept wondering if all the other angelic children (they look so well behaved) in his class do as they are told and I was doing something seriously wrong.

Arrogantcat · 05/10/2011 13:56

Another one grateful for this thread. My 4.8 yr old is a complete bloody demon at the moment. She is cheeky, defiant, naughty, loud, pushy and argumentative most of the day. She seriously can not manage to behave herself for even 5 minutes. She has added "cocky" into the mix since recently starting school.
My just turned 3 yr old is a freaking dream child in comparision.
I am VERY VERY scared of what the teenage years hold if it's this bad already!

CoffeeDog · 05/10/2011 14:06

please dont say that - I find my 2 yr old twins VERY hard work... I thought it would get easier as they get older...

HappyFinnish · 05/10/2011 14:20

Aldi's little boy's 'pooface' comment reminds me of one of my happiest childhood memories. The four year old brother of my friend called his mum a 'big fat smelly poo poo'. His mother replied, calmly, 'Daddy and I don't go around calling each other big fat smelly poo poo, do we, darling?' Seven year old me found this image so hilarious my eyes were weeping. Much older me still does but it's tempered hugely with empathy for the mum.

northernrock · 05/10/2011 14:36

The worst is the family members judging you for not having the little buggers under control.
When we were at MIL recently ds was particularly satanic, and after I had finally wrestled him to bed MIL said "you musn't blame yourself dear."
I was so tempted to say " I don't. He's just like his dad. I blame you!"

Arrogantcat · 05/10/2011 14:36

My 4 yr old screeches "It's my life not yours!" at me constantly. I think I've made a total pigs ear of this parenting lark. Shit!

northernrock · 05/10/2011 14:43

Ha ha! Have you been letting him/her watch Hollyoaks Arrogantcat?

MrsBloomingTroll · 05/10/2011 14:48

Am currently struggling enough with 3yo.....pleeeeeeease don't tell me it gets worse next year?!

Tis not possible!

carmenelectra · 05/10/2011 14:53

This is soo funny.

I have a four yr old who used to be the loveliest little boy ever. So sweet natured. EAsily my best behaved son!Grin. The past few months he has turned into what I can only describe as an imbecile(like his eldest brother- but he has always been like that).

He is cheeky, defiant and has even said a few swear worldsBlush. Slams the living room door on a daily basis. The door frame is already knackered, all it needs is a kid to finish it off.

Calls his dad ' poo face', 'stinky head'. And his poor little brother keeps getting battered. And there's me, thinking that they would be great friends.

I feel you pain, northernrock. I worry all the time that i am going to make my sons into terrible men, who treat their wives or girlfriends like shit. Shock

themightyskim · 05/10/2011 15:10

my OH and I were really pleased that my SD missed her terrible twos. Serves us right for being smug shits because she is demonic now, and if I really had to admit what annoys me the most its the fact that no matter what we do in the way of punnishment she can totally and utterly ignore us. NOTHING gets to this child!

I love this post makes me feel normal again, pregnancy hormones and 4 year old hormones dont mix!