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AIBU?

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to feel like the four year old stage is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY harder than the "terrible twos" ?

178 replies

CheerfulYank · 03/10/2011 19:05

I just am really at my wit's end!

I posted a little bit ago about my son's constant arguing. I just hate it, my mom and brother had a terrible relationship and I don't want things to be like that; I don't want the kind of tension I grew up with in my home. And DS is only 4! And I work with children who have behavior issues! I feel like I should be able to handle things better. Blush

DS came home from preschool and was eating his lunch. (I was home from work because of a migraine :( ) He finished his lunch and I asked him to throw his sandwich crusts into the dog's bowl.

He refused "because I'll get my hands dirty!" (There was applesauce on the crusts, he's a messy eater :) ) I said well then you can wash them.

He refused again. I said "do what I asked you please." He started hopping up and down and screeching. I said "go upstairs until you're ready to do what I asked."

He ran up the stairs and stopped to yell down "I want my license!" (He has one of DH's old driver's licenses that he likes to play with.) I said that he could have it after he had put his plate away like I'd asked.

He ran downstairs screeching and tried to grab it anyway. I told him no firmly and said I would take it away. He picked it up and glared at me, I took it away and said he couldn't have it.

He grabbed his plate and went to dump it out into the dog's bowl. I told him to pick the crusts up with his fingers but he didn't want to; he dumped the whole plate over and got applesauce all over his foot. Cue screaming.

Sigh...I almost feel like I should namechange for this, it sounds so stupid when I write it down. But it is really hard because I feel like he's always in trouble for something, and I hate that! And when I've to ignore most behavior he slides more into outright defiance, etc.

Ugh! AIBU to just want to hide under a blanket all day? It;s not that I think things like this are terribly out of the ordinary, it's just that there are so many incidents every day and it's really wearing.

As far as the dirty-hands things goes, I'm beginning to think that he may be more sensitive than some to things like that. DH hates anything dirty or slimy on his hands and washed them constantly, and I think DS may have some of that too. He doesn't mind actual dirt and is okay with fingerpaint, but other slimy/sticky things he doesn't like. So in the future I will help him or tell him to use his spoon to fling them off or something.

But the whole refusal to do things, the arguing, the backtalk...it just feels constant and it's really hard. And on top of that DH is gone on a business trip for three days. Ugh.

Help!

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bebeballroom · 05/10/2011 15:59

I have no helpful advice or insight as I only have a three-nager! Wink But oh my dear Lordy Lord her behaviour is already worse than the tantrums of the terrible twos. Dreading the Fours!! She can now reason(ish) & (in her mind) rationalise why she is acting the way she is & my word for a small child she can't half argue her case!! My mother now delights in telling me that I had 'the terrible twos, the even worse threes & the absolutely impossible fours'! Hmm Why did she fail to tell me this before I had DD?

You are not alone! Is it too much to hope that it's all out of their system before they hit their teens?!

rshipstuff · 05/10/2011 16:06

My daughter is currently throwing a tantrum and says she wants a new daddy, a bigger chair, a bigger plate - all because she doesn't like the fact that her Camembert is runnier than usual.

Thumbwitch · 05/10/2011 16:08

Oh God, don't tell me this!! I weathered the "terrible twos" and they were ok (thank goodness!) only to discover that I now had a "threenager" - not so bad so far (well, a little worse since about 2m ago but still not so bad) and now you're telling me that I've the Fearsome Fours to look forward to?? ARRRGGHHHH!

northernrock - the number of times I've wanted to say something similar to MIL but haven't!! I know exactly how you feel (although she's never had the gall to actually say something like that to me, it's just the occasional Look and sometimes a backhanded comment)

No advice for you CY - sorry - just a silly question: why do Americans call it applesauce, and not apple sauce? It's a completely daft question I know, it's just been bugging me recently! Blush

AngryFeet · 05/10/2011 16:23

I also have a 4 year old who is madly energetic. All the other mothers in his reception class keep asking if he is really tired after school like theirs are. I wish! That boy never runs out of energy. What do you all do to let them work this energy off? We do swimming twice a week after school - once just me and MIL with the DC and one swimming lesson but I am thinking of signing him up to a local rugby course on Saturday mornings. It would help him let out the aggression I think!

meltedchocolate · 05/10/2011 16:32

:(

I was holding onto that DS was just passing age two into three and things would get easier soon :( :( :( No joys then?

meltedchocolate · 05/10/2011 16:32

*sigh even

hardcolin · 05/10/2011 16:35

It can be a nightmare, and you think you'll never get through it. You will.
My dd was a pain to live with most days from about 3.5 yrs to about 4/4.5.
A few months on and it's much easier now.

I'll be damned I'll give the 2's, 4's and 5's any name that my dd can or could live up to Grin

Insomnia11 · 05/10/2011 16:35

I found 3/4 the most testing time with DD1, but then I was pregnant/DD2 was very small so that could have been a lot to do with it as well. I succumbed to slapping her a couple of times as she wound me up so much.

She is 6 now and I have to say I prefer her at this age more than any before.

SecretSquirrels · 05/10/2011 17:20

For what it's worth from a mother of teenagers.
Age 4 was by far the worst of all the many stages we've been through so far.
Both boys were horrible at four.
I used to call DS2 the poison dwarf, not to his face obviously.
At four they have so much more staying power for screaming than at two. They can be quite professional tantrummers Grin.

Don't underestimate how tired they can get at school. One simple thing we did which helped was to bring bedtime forward to 6.30pm.

Don't despair they will grow out of it. I now have two lovely well mannered and well behaved boys who I am very proud of.

HerRoyalNotness · 05/10/2011 17:40

Oh man, why did someone not warn me!? I thought the 2s and 3s were the worst bits, then it got better. Funnily enough DS1 was good as gold through those ages. But now he is 4, we are getting exactly the same behaviour as on this thread. I kept thinking he was out of control, now I know why!

My poor wee man. He hears a phrase from me so often he now says it to DS2 (1yo) when he starts crying. "DS2 I don' wanna hear your nonsense!" Grin

CheerfulYank · 05/10/2011 18:31

Oh you marvelous woman! I think I can (just about) get through this if I know there's possibly a light at the end of the tunnel!

It's so hard because the whole "surge of testosterone" makes so much sense to me, but I don't want to be one of those parents with a constant excuse, you know? The whole "oh he's tired, oh he needs a snack, oh his chakras are out of order," etc, etc. Sigh.

Thumbwitch I have no idea! Perhaps because "apple sauce" would be a sauce for apples? Caramel dip or something? Confused

Angryfeet I make have mine run a lot. Like, "see if you can run back and forth ten times! See if you can beat the dog in a race! Do you think you can run all the way upstairs and back down before I count to twenty?"

Some days it works and I feel invincible, and other days I feel like the neighbors are probably five seconds away from calling SS due to the screams emanating from our house. :(

I am another one who (confession time) was so damn smug when DS was younger. He was a lovely friendly boy who did everything he was asked. Now...well....I've got my comeuppance, that's for sure!

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fatchip · 05/10/2011 18:59

Oh, me too. I hear myself screeching at ds to get in the car for school, as he hurtles round the drive, and think who is that fishwife??

My 4 year old ds is full on from 7am to 7pm. There is no respite from the demands, nagging, questioning and stropping. He particularly loves to roar at the top of his voice, first thing in the morning. Pre-coffee, I am not good, and this horrible jarring noise has had me put him outside the front door on a couple of occasions (we live on a very quiet road!!) I've put him to bed at 6.30 tonight as I could feel my ears starting to bleed with the constant noise.

His redeeming feature is that he does sleep well. And he was HORRIFIC when he was 2, with constant screaming tantrums. 4 is easier in some ways, but only because it was so unbearable then. Having said all of this, he is adorable and very funny, just so full on.

northernrock · 05/10/2011 19:06

Thank You Secret Squirrel! You are my oracle now. Wink

elmofan · 05/10/2011 19:06

DD(5) is going through the door slamming stage ATM
Ds (12) Back chats , winds dd up , but is also a little charmer and knows when i give him "the look" it's time to stop Grin

mrsbleasdale · 05/10/2011 19:33

Nooooooooo!!!! My DS1 has been a pain in the ass since 2, he's 3 1/2 and I was hoping for light at the end of the tunnel at 4!!!!

snala · 05/10/2011 20:44

Hi all. Can I join? I could be all of you. My DS1 is 3.9 and is driving us up the wall.
Who is 'raising boys' by? I think maybe I need a copy!! Blush

Brynn · 05/10/2011 20:45

My threenager threw a huge screaming tantrum the other day because when he asked for one of my chips I had apparently dipped the "wrong" end. He spent ages scraping it meticulously clean, and I thought he was going to re-dip it. But no, he threw it on the floor instead.

And it's going to get worse??

gingercurl · 05/10/2011 21:00

I'm so glad i found this thread. I thought it was me being a bad parent. Ds is 4 and we have constant battles of will at the moment. Most of the time I feel I'd get more of a response if I talked to the wall rather than him.

northernrock · 05/10/2011 21:08

I have been thinking about this.
Maybe this battle for control would be helped if we sort of...did less?
I have noticed in the last two weeks, since doing a Zero Tolerance Timeout strategy e.g "If you speak to me in that tone/as if I am stupid again you will be in time out" and then meaning it, I have found it has at least made the tantrums shorter.
Whatever you do, don't get into an argument with them. And accept no backchat. Now I am going to try simply walking from the room when I hear "but.."
Every time.
Even if its just to stay calm. I will lock myself in the bathroom and smoke a fag out of the window while he bangs on the door screaming"mumeeee!"
Hey, it might work!
(Smoking is optional).

WhatWouldLeoDo · 05/10/2011 21:18

I'm currently hiding in the kitchen while my 3 yr old does his nightly bed time tantrum.

CeeCee123 · 05/10/2011 21:33

Can I just say, my DS was a lovely 2 year old until 2.5 and then positively demonic until nearly 4. He actually seems a bit better now although I realise that as soon as we get out of routine (you know, when people come to visit, we go away, any time other people will get to see him and judge my parenting skills) he gets much more worked up.

I spent a lot of time trying to figure out why I was such a horrible parent and what on earth I was doing wrong. The best book I came across was "Parenting the Strong Willed Child" which puts lots of emphasis on positive reinforcement. Also that "How to talk.." book was good - now when he kicks off about not wanting to do something I am sympathetic about how he doesn't want to do it (even when it is a perfectly reasonable request) then tell him why exactly he needs to, and failing all else, put him on time out if he refuses. I also spend a lot of time telling him how much I love him and giving him lots of cuddles. I find that if I really increase the physical contact when he's having a particularly vile day (especially when I don't really feel like it!) I find it sometimes takes the edge off. Overall I'd say our relationship has got a bit more harmonious and I'm not as angry with him as I was 6 months ago, although partly he's obviously grown a bit more of his brain!

The only problem is, all of this takes an enormous amount of patience so when I've been up half the night with a teething one year old and I'm just plain knackered, I still resort to shouting :)

Oh, and I drink a lot of gin :o

northernrock · 05/10/2011 21:36

Oooh, I hear the Strong willed child book was good.
I definitly think positive reinforcement is a great tool. Its just hard sometimes to remember to do it when you are getting to the end of your tether!

CheerfulYank · 05/10/2011 21:43

Do you think the surge of testosterone thing could be why he's so bloodthirsty lately? All of his games recently have involved swords and "bad guys" and evil robots and tying people up.

And here I thought I'd be a gentle hippy parent with sweet little children who played with Waldorf dolls or some sh%t like that.

Oh, how the mighty have fallen...

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CeeCee123 · 05/10/2011 21:48

Ah yes - so very blood thirsty. Lots of knights and people getting their "heads. chopped.OFF!"

Rosmarin · 05/10/2011 21:52

Reading this is a bit surprising for me. You all sound like you're doing reasonable things and parenting conscientiously and your DCs are just going through a challenging stage.

As far as I know, I never had a particularly bad stage as a little kid - terrible twos, difficult fours etc - none of that. However, my mum was a very scary woman and often very aggressive and she had no qualms about punishing in public. I think she would be described as moderately abusive - she often used a belt on my brother, for example, but this was in the 90s so not that accepted when compared with previous generations. Her 'parenting' worked on me but definitely not on my brother, and we both still have a lot of fall-out from our childhood.

Well, I guess this was a bit of a ramble. What I meant to say originally was that I'm surprised that reasonable parental behaviour doesn't seem to automatically create reasonable (young) child behaviour.