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AIBU?

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to feel like the four year old stage is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY harder than the "terrible twos" ?

178 replies

CheerfulYank · 03/10/2011 19:05

I just am really at my wit's end!

I posted a little bit ago about my son's constant arguing. I just hate it, my mom and brother had a terrible relationship and I don't want things to be like that; I don't want the kind of tension I grew up with in my home. And DS is only 4! And I work with children who have behavior issues! I feel like I should be able to handle things better. Blush

DS came home from preschool and was eating his lunch. (I was home from work because of a migraine :( ) He finished his lunch and I asked him to throw his sandwich crusts into the dog's bowl.

He refused "because I'll get my hands dirty!" (There was applesauce on the crusts, he's a messy eater :) ) I said well then you can wash them.

He refused again. I said "do what I asked you please." He started hopping up and down and screeching. I said "go upstairs until you're ready to do what I asked."

He ran up the stairs and stopped to yell down "I want my license!" (He has one of DH's old driver's licenses that he likes to play with.) I said that he could have it after he had put his plate away like I'd asked.

He ran downstairs screeching and tried to grab it anyway. I told him no firmly and said I would take it away. He picked it up and glared at me, I took it away and said he couldn't have it.

He grabbed his plate and went to dump it out into the dog's bowl. I told him to pick the crusts up with his fingers but he didn't want to; he dumped the whole plate over and got applesauce all over his foot. Cue screaming.

Sigh...I almost feel like I should namechange for this, it sounds so stupid when I write it down. But it is really hard because I feel like he's always in trouble for something, and I hate that! And when I've to ignore most behavior he slides more into outright defiance, etc.

Ugh! AIBU to just want to hide under a blanket all day? It;s not that I think things like this are terribly out of the ordinary, it's just that there are so many incidents every day and it's really wearing.

As far as the dirty-hands things goes, I'm beginning to think that he may be more sensitive than some to things like that. DH hates anything dirty or slimy on his hands and washed them constantly, and I think DS may have some of that too. He doesn't mind actual dirt and is okay with fingerpaint, but other slimy/sticky things he doesn't like. So in the future I will help him or tell him to use his spoon to fling them off or something.

But the whole refusal to do things, the arguing, the backtalk...it just feels constant and it's really hard. And on top of that DH is gone on a business trip for three days. Ugh.

Help!

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OmniaParatus · 03/10/2011 21:27

Oh I'm so glad it's not just me. Ds1 is four and got so angry at me the other day he made himself literally sick with rage. He then apologised and cried after I had cleaned it up. He is constantly rude and will not stay on the time out step, will not heed warnings and is unbelievably cheeky. Just when I am about to strangle him he will be so sweet to DD or ds2 that it touches my heart. I've tried to be a bit lenient as he has a new brother as well as a little sister and has a lot to deal with in terms of changes, but I feel at the end of my tether. It is good to know it is just a phase, especially as I have to do this again twice more!

RachelHRD · 03/10/2011 21:28

I'm so glad I'm not the only one going through this......................

I am sick, sick, sick of repeating myself 20,30+ times asking DS to do something and being ignored or told "No" and for us putting shoes on is just a nightmare - it takes forever......and then he takes them off in the car

I always thought I was a patient person but my God DS has me wailing like a banshee at times.

Please make it stop!!!!! Sorry no constructive advice as I have tried EVERYTHING but lots of empathy......

trixymalixy · 03/10/2011 21:30

YANBU I have a 4 year old DS and a 2year old DD. The terrible twos is much much easier!!

CheerfulYank · 03/10/2011 21:39

I finally, finally got my phone to turn on for three seconds. I asked DS please to go up and play for two minutes so I could make the phone call to sign him up for Tae Kwon Do. (He cannot keep quiet when I am on the phone and I knew I would only have a few minutes to make the call before the phone crapped out again.)

Him: But I will be quiet.
Me: (knowing he has said this hundreds of times and not done it) Go upstairs please, it will just be a minute and then we will play cards.
Him: But I will be-
Me: DS, go upstairs please.
Him: I want to tell you something! I want to tell you something!
Me: Yes.
Him: I will be quiet.
Me: DS I want you to go upstairs right now.
Him: No! No! No!

I looked down to see the phone had clicked off. I shouted. :(

He ran upstairs and I called after him not to slam the door as he would be locked in (the knob is off while we are painting his room). He slammed it as hard as he could and now is upstairs pounding on the door and I just want to cry or scream or something.

I told him to sit up there quietly and I will be up in a minute.

I should be able to handle this. I feel like the crappiest parent imaginable today. :(

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Saggyoldclothcatpuss · 03/10/2011 21:46

Can I be the helpful person who comes on the thread and tells you it gets worse? Grin

NoVeggiesBeforeSkeggies · 03/10/2011 21:55

Oh thank goodness- having read this thread I realise that DS and I are normal!

His spitting, grabbing and always flapping his gums when I'm on the phone....
My shouting, tearing my hair out, hiding in the toilet...

I feel at home here Grin

Oh, and YANBU!

CheerfulYank · 03/10/2011 22:06

I wish I lived close to you all to form a support group. :(

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SexualHarrassmentPandaPop · 03/10/2011 22:08

But who would be willing to work in the creche with all our monsters while we had our group sessions? Please don't tell me they would be attending the support group with us. All together. In the same room.

TheHandThatRocksTheCradle · 03/10/2011 22:08

I thought 3 was bad!

CheerfulYank · 03/10/2011 22:10

We could just meet in a big field with snacks and wine tea. And the nasty lovely 4 year olds could run around screaming at everyone playing nicely while we got nicely tipsy had a light-hearted chat.

:o

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CheerfulYank · 03/10/2011 22:17

Also, and I feel terrible saying this, but I know he would behave better if I engaged him all the time, kept him busy all the time, etc. But I don't want to all the time, sometimes I just want to sit calmly and have a cup of tea without having someone hang on me or ask me to be a dragon or scream at me because there are ladybugs upstairs!

I think I will try to keep a tighter schedule of "okay, after lunch we will have quiet time, then it will be time to go to the park..." and so on. He seems to do better with predictability. And maybe I'll have to do more arts and crafts too. Something! Anything! :)

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Petisa · 03/10/2011 22:19

No don't say this everybody, I was so hoping for things to get a bit easier after threenagerdom.

SexualHarrassmentPandaPop · 03/10/2011 22:19

Those are the times when shit parenting putting a dvd on, letting them play computer games etc is your friend.

SexualHarrassmentPandaPop · 03/10/2011 22:19

When you want a quiet cuppa I mean.

Petisa · 03/10/2011 22:20

i know sometimes you could scream shut up shut up shut up I'm going mad!! I lock myself in the loo with my cuppa and book for a couple of minutes before dd1 starts hitting dd2 on the head with her new tombliboos

Petisa · 03/10/2011 22:23

So is this why now dd1 has turned 3.6 she's stated to answer back all the time "But I AM being quiet mummy" "But I AM eating my dinner mummy" "But I AM mummy" all day no matter what I say to her? She's just in training for the fucking fours I hear you say?

bringmesunshine2009 · 03/10/2011 22:27

Fingers in eyes. DS1 is 2 and a bit of a nightmare tbh

CheerfulYank · 03/10/2011 22:38

Right now he has squeezed himself into a 6-12 month corduroy jacket (and he's a big boy, wears fives instead of fours) because I said I was going to give it to a friend who's having a baby. Hmm

And walking around singing "soccer ball soccer ball soccer ball soccer ball!" at the top of his lungs.

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BoosMaw · 03/10/2011 22:45

I think it depends on the child. My DD was very difficult in a lot of ways up until she was perhaps over 5 years old, 4yo was definitely a constant battle of the wills. Every single thing she ever had to do was turned into a huge whining debate, e.g. she could turn toothbrushing into a half-hour long argument, every time, for weeks on end. Even getting her into her car seat was a daily challenge. Now that she's 5.5 yo she's mellowed, I think she's finally just 'got it', I guess she's finally developed a superego, or at least can be reasoned with a little better. If you're feeling ill with migraine that definitely won't help things. Try to ensure you both get enough sleep.

BoosMaw · 03/10/2011 22:47

psychology.about.com/od/theoriesofpersonality/a/personalityelem.htm

This rings true for me, though of course it may be psychobabble...

NestaFiesta · 03/10/2011 22:57

Cheerful, I know exactly how you feel. you are not alone. The way you describe your DS is so similar to mine when he was four.

I also find that whilst DS was 4 I spent the whole year thinking I was a terrible mother. I also found that I became Shouty Mum when I wanted to be Lovely Patient Mum.

I can honestly say there isn't a person or event in the world that has stressed me or tormented me anywhere near as much as my 4 yo did. Sometimes I actually thought he was deliberately torturing me with his refusal to listen, his lack of memory (telling him 367 times not to jump on furniture), his annoying repetitive noises, his constant "Yes-but..."

However, I do of course, as you do, love him something stupid. Yet I have never been so tested before or since.

DesperatelySeekingSedatives · 03/10/2011 23:06

YANBU no way! My DD turned 4 last month and is driving us mad! The whinging, the laziness the backchat, the know it all attitude... I wasn't expecting anything like this til she hit puberty really Sad Sometimes I actually have to leave the room just so I don't lose my temper. other times I actually do lose it and seriously regret it afterwards Blush

Don't get wrong I love DD to bits she has many good points- polite, generous, funny and sensitive but she isn't half frustrating at times!

CheerfulYank · 03/10/2011 23:09

I have actually outlawed the phrase "But Mommy" in our house because it makes me come over all screamy.

"DS would you like blue pajamas or green?"
"But Mommy-"

"DS it's time for school. Let's go see your friends!"
"But Mommy-"

Literally, it felt like it was after everything I said! And whiny too. "But Maaaahh-MEEEEEE..." Angry

The worst part is, I feel like one of the reasons we butt heads constantly is that we're very similar people. Blush

I think I will just have to keep him busy and try make sure we both sleep a lot. And get a lot of water and exercise. I will treat us both like we are puppies who need lots of treats and wearing out in order to be acceptable to polite society. Blush

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CheerfulYank · 03/10/2011 23:12

Welcome, Sedatives. You are among friends here. :)

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mrszimmerman · 03/10/2011 23:16

oh, try a week end with my ds (10) arguing every single point on everything.
It's exhausting
I need to go back to the irritating "How to talk so kids will listen and listen so kids will talk"
I seem to remember that book helped once (despite creepy low cost cartoon strips... false economy...)