to want to scratch the cars of ppl in parent / toddler bays with NO kids!!

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And it's ALWAYS old people or business men.

I want to scratch all their cars and kick their tyres!

Newsflash people- there is no need to take the baby out of the car in their carseat, its actually not good for their development to spend too long in it. That there solves the need for more space to open doors argument. Think yourself lucky the spaces in the average supermarket aren't as narrow as the ones in my work car park- you need to be flat stanley to get out of your car half the time.

Kungfupannda, I confess to being a tad ambiguous. Assumptions based on looking at people really annoy me. The OP was suggesting keying someone's car based on her instant judgment of need. My response about not standing up was to another poster who was using instant judgment of failure to stand as an insult.

Attitudes like this are why I've been attacked, spat on and verbally abused on public transport.

Sirzy - some might. However, the vast majority certainly don't. And a fair indicator is the speed with which they manage to leg it up the station stairs, through the barriers and hurtle to the front of the bus queue. And when you have a group of 4 school children all sitting in the 4 priority seats, the odds are that most of them are entirely able-bodied.

I am perfectly well aware of hidden disabilities - that is why I always ask politely if I need a priority seat rather than shouting "oy! lazy ass! Move yourself!" However, quite often it is abundantly obvious that the person in question is simply choosing to remain in the seat because they want to.

The other day I got out of a priority seat for a lady with a walking stick having first said "I wonder if someone who isn't 6 months pregnant is able to move?" The other 3 people in the seats all buried their heads in their newspapers or became very interested in their phones. So I moved. I would imagine that anyone with a genuine need for the seat would have simply said "I'm sorry, I'm not able to move" rather than pretending not to hear. Probably because those who struggle with physical mobility or health conditions are far more aware of the needs of others and would not want someone thinking that they didn't care. It tends to be those who have absolutely no idea who sit there with the "why should I move?" look on their face.

I used to drive a 2 seater / convertible in the UK with baby seat on the passenger seat! (airbag disabled) I got so many snotty looks from people when I parked in P&C spaces in it, even after I'd gone round to the other side and lifted the baby out.

Here they have none, makes life so much simpler. I still park in convenient spaces (baby seat swapped for toddler seat) but nobody gives a stuff as long as it's within the lines.

I reckon getting rid of P&C spaces would probably add 5 years to everyone's life just in terms of lowering blood pressure!

I parked in front of someone's house last Saturday night, in my 4x4 fully taxed and insured vehicle. This, last time I looked, was perfectly legal on the public highway. It was not blockinga driveway, causing a nuisance to pedestrians or blocking the sun to anyones garden plants.

Clearly someone, someone that does think scratching vehicles under cover of darkness is a valid and justifiable way to make their point, has taken a key and scratched a double tramline from bumper to bumper.

I have had the work priced at £450.

Now I don't really care about P&T parking one way or another, but I do bloody well mind that scratching a legally parked car is a good way to make a point.

So, OP YABU, and so is anyone else that thinks that sort of thing is acceptable even as a funny ha ha comment.

No stereotype - IntheNIghtKitchen - simply shorthand for "young man wearing work clothing and giving the impression of being out and about for work purposes". I don't consider business man to be restricted to CEOs of large companies - why would I? Not sure what there is to take offence over.

Kladdkaka - see my later post. I certainly don't make snap judgements about any individual person who doesn't leap up. I do make fairly reasoned judgements based on what I have seen of someone in the run up to them getting on the bus, and I make a common sense judgement when the entire bus is occupied by school children sitting down and elderly and disabled people standing!

Fair enough kungfu.

My personal bug bear is people who let young children have there own seat on a packed bus rather than siting them on there knee (obviously only when it's one child per adult!)

If there is nothing to take offence over, why would you bother to say that they are always businessmen? The implication is that this somehow makes it worse - because they are rich, greedy, inconsiderate, or whatever.

I would imagine that anyone with a genuine need for the seat would have simply said "I'm sorry, I'm not able to move" rather than pretending not to hear.

I hate to disagree with you, you're my hero on these types of thread, but in that situation I do pretend not to hear. I can't help it. A bus full of noisy people, lots of bumping and tussling, previous experience of being abused and now a complete stranger looking directly at me and asking me to explain myself. I freeze like a rabbit in the headlights, then turn away and try to stare out the window/at newpaper/bit of fluff on knee in order to keep it together and prevent meltdown.

Er, I suggest you read my post properly, IntheNIghtKitchen. Where did I say it is 'always' business men? What I actually said was business men 'for example'. Ie an example of the various different types of people who might be in this scenario. You have either misread and taken offence, or you are scrabbling for offence to take.

Surat - the child on the knee thing hacks me off too. When we commute by public transport I always move DS onto my knee as soon as the train gets busy. Sometimes he kicks off about it but as I pointed out to him recently, when he is paying for his own ticket he can sit where he likes!

Kungfupannda, I wasn't refering to you about making snap judgments. I was referring to those who lack common sense and who want to key the cars of elderly people in p&c spaces or who spit on someone who doesn't move out of a priority seat when ordered to do so.

Riven, yep £450. That's for a back panel, 2 doors, and front panel. They went nice and deep to make their point gooood. Hence a leetle touchy on the subject.

Take your point on the rest, bloody infuriating, but I'd pay good money to see that Ninja wheelchair. You should consider getting a cape and tights too.

Oooh - I love it when one of the 'hand that rocks the cradle rules the world - everyone should pander to me because I have done something we have been evolved to do for millions of years (have a child) brigade' ........

(admittedly it needs work - more snappy etc )

.........comes up to me when I park in one of those 'sans enfant' and march boldly into store only to emerge again with DD and DGS whom I meet in store.

Especially when one was stood pointing at my car shouting the odds at car park staff about me. You would have paid good money to see her face as we silently approached my car strapped DGS in child seat then drove off.

HA

I sometimes park in one (32 weeks pregnant with SPD) when I don't have DD because it can be super painful to walk to far. Hope no one plans on damaging my car .

Kladdkaka - it sounds difficult and awareness of hidden disabilities would help a lot. But I would imagine that the majority of people with disabilities would be able to make a simple 'disclaimer' type comment. Whether or not that was accepted by the person challenging is another thing entirely. If I saw someone being aggressive towards a person who was clearly distressed or panicky I would almost certainly have a quiet word with the agressor if it was possible to do so without causing a huge scene. In fact I did speak to two elderly ladies on a bus who were browbeating a mum who was teying to explain that her child had learning disabilities, and politely pointed out that they were actually preventing the mother from dealing with the situation by hassling her.

Not sure what the answer is for you and others in similar situations. In an ideal world there would be such good awareness of disabilities of all types, and such consideration for others, that anyone not giving up a seat would automatically be assumed to have a greater need. Unfortunately I don't see that world coming anytime soon.

I don't, however, think that people should be prevented from politely asking for a priority seat since the sad fact is that the majority of people who don't show consideration for others are simply rude. As I mentioned earlier, when I don't have any of th complicating factors, I don't consider myself to have any particular need for a seat simply by dint of being pregnant and most of the times that I have spoken to someone on a bus about a seat it has been to ask for the seat for someone else with an obvious need.

I did misread you kungfupanda, at least I mistook you for the OP, who did say it is always businessmen and old people. HTH.

X posted. Klad - I know you weren't!

Riven - I think you could pull off tights....

OP YABU to want to cause physical damage. If like me you're still on maternity leave, take a deep breath and remind yourself that you have all day to get stuff done.

My mother was a parent in the 70s though, and couldn't see the point in P&S spaces until she took DS shopping. Parking spaces are the same size as they were in the 70's, but cars are much bigger, leaving much less space to open doors wide. Infant carriers weren't around in the 70's either. If you have a 3 door car, removing a baby from the car unfortunately required removing the whole carrier.

They have Mommy-to-be spaces in the USA. I think we need some here !

kladdkaka When I posted at 8.34 I entirely forgot that you are disabled; if an apology is due this is it but I think I was seeing the person not the wheelchair!

Incidentally is it not a stereotype to assume that the owner of a parked Lamborghini cannot be disabled and possibly pregnant too?

Oops. Am making no sense.

Point I was trying to make at the end of my post was that it was possible to get a baby out of the back of a small car from an old fashioned carry cot, as you could just lift the baby out. Lifting a baby from a rear facing seat is only possible in a 4 door car, not a 3 door.

It's the price we pay for greater infant safety and better safer cars.

Can I join the 'I had kids in the early 90s and you youngsters dont know yer born' club please?

It would be nice to fit in somewhere.

If you dared get on a bloody bus then you would have a crowd of old ladies muttering about how they walked everywhere in there day.

It was great.

Bit shocked at pp who wouldnt get up for a pg lady. You dont have to have a disabliity to feel knackerd and have achy legs and a bad back.

In fact when I am pg my swollen ankles trump OH's mere neuropathic pain and one eye blindness every day (only joking a bit )