to think smokers should be made to smoke away from people?

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I've always been quite anti smoking had a gran who dies of lung cancer, but since I was pregnant with DD and now that I'm out and about with her it really angers me when people are smoking in public areas, if it were up to me I'd ban smoking in all public places ie high streets, door ways to, restaurants, childrens play areas etc and don't even get me started on the bit outside the hospital and make people smoke in smoking rooms or back streets. I got abuse from a woman the other day who came over to speak to DD and puffed her smoke all over her when I asked her not to.

I love these threads actually because the justifications that smokers use are hilarious! Usually its based on simply pointing out various other undesirable things - eg being hideously obese, and bleating 'well over eating is bad for you too!'. Precisely. Which is why no sane person would want those things for themselves (or their kids- strong causal link with things like obesity and smoking)

Me too.

Ps am outside in my garden.

Do you think the smokers want to congregate in doorways and back streets? They have a right to smoke the same as you have a right not to.

Well, I think cigarette smoke smells disgusting (even when outside), so my first reaction was YANBU.

On the other hand I also think fast food, cough drops, egg sandwiches and BO smell disgusting. As is seeing people picking their nose or scratching their bits. Or wearing too-tight Lycra.

Realistically we can't ban something on the basis that it is grim. We can only ban it if it's harmful. And smoking outside isn't harmful, really.

Totally agree- BO, eating egg sandwiches, reeking of garlic, wearing Lycra, smoking - all hideously undesirable . Just makes me chuckle that the only one you'll see defended on MN is the one which is also proven to be the most dangerous! Nowt so queer eh?

[fag]

Not surprising that smokers are defended when they are stated as being useless and not really people.

I mean, you get rid of all the smokers, you get rid of a lot of really good people.

You get rid of cars, you get rid of cars.

People really see cars as the more important?

toniguy no one is trying to justify smoking as being good for you on this thread, merely pointing out that outdoor, second hand smoke is not inherently dangerous. Annoying perhaps, like other odours, not dangerous.

Do you really chuckle and find this thread hilarious ? Might need to get out more.

I don't think YABU at all. I absolutely hate being forced to breath someone else's smoke.

I don't see it like that sardine. (smoker here)

I think the point was cigarettes are useless not the people who smoke them.

michelleseashell your post made me - I was thinking something very similar myself. There's nothing quite like a prissy catsbumface to bring on a bout of wild smoke blowing! I love it!

And anyway - OP - YABU. Very. I don't even have words to tell you just exactly how twatty you sound.

Stand further away. YABU.

OP, YANBU.

Also, my friend was killed by a bus, so I've always been quite anti-buses. And the other day one went past really close and belching out its foul diesel fumes. I could get cancer from those fumes. Buses should be banned.

While we're at it, let's microchip all children with a sensor that detects what they're eating, and fine any parents who don't give their DC their 5 a day. Because no measure is too illiberal if it ensures THE HEALTH OF THE CHILDREN.

YANBU. The smoking ban came in because a large proportion of smokers are incredibly selfish and don't give any thought to people who don't like it. I wouldn't deliberately sit down next to someone who was smoking, but they will come and sit practically on top of me and light up. We went abroad last year and this and had forgotten how horrible it is when you are eating and the people at the next table just light up.

I have just finished 3 horrible months of chemotherapy. The hospital has the usual signs up about being Smoke free and considering other people, but the one bench to wait for your lift is where everyone lights up- under the bloody sign Waiting for DH I had no fewer than 4 people come out, sit next to me and get out the fags- some of them still attached to their drip stand. WTF?!

I smoked a lot in my old job, still often smoke in the garden if working late at night (as nicotine keeps me awake far better than coffee and with fewer side effects). I never really had any problem with not smoking around people, not smoking in places that were shared, and certainly never around the kids-wouldn't hit someone in the face, why make them inhale my smoke?

BUT I do have a problem with the idea that because it is easier to legislate against smoking at other people then smoking is a uniquely evil act (people who throw stones stuff...). And watching a good friend's ex-alcoholic Dad die of liver failure in a hospice and not be allowed to smoke, while other folk drank alcohol near him, made me more than a little cross....

Smoking on streets terrifies me, nice hot embers at my kids eye height...

But people outside hospitals, in the open air, potentially going through enormous trauma and wanting a fag? Surely some give-and-take is possible there.

You may not see it like that vera.

However, you didn't write that post or agree with it.

....'actually a lot of smokers seem to be overweight, wrinkly and wearing offensive to the eye, unflattering fabrics- so it offends on Many levels!

Anyone else find reading this makes them want to smoke?

These threads always make me light up.

But as smokers are the minority there are far more overweight, wrinkly and wearing offensive to the eye unflattering fabrics non smokers surely.
And your point is?
Anyway this is getting repetitive as all smoking threads do.
Bored now.
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You'd think so wouldn't you ladybeagle- but no, it seems to go with the territory. Badly fitting clothes, early onset wrinkles and if you're really going for the full house, hair scraped back into a chav ponytail plus compulsory fag in hand. Offensive to onlookers eyes more than lungs I'll grant you- but even so....

The only objection that i have to smoking is the littering aspect, i am against all littering. I know this isn't done by all smokers but i would like a clampdown every now and again on littering of all sorts, to try to get people out of the habit of doing it.

There is a ban on drinking in some outdoor areas so they could ban smoking, it doesn't matter if tobacco is legal, so is alcohol and not everyone who drinks it, causes problems.