to laugh at david cameron?

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He has only been in government about 1 year, the economy has flatlined and already there are riots and looting in the streets! He doesnt listen, and just gets everything so wrong!

It would be absolutely hilarious, if only the consequences weren't so tragic.

But I need a good laugh, so AIBU?

Actually, scrap that - it's not ignorance. Ignorance does not make me angry.

What does piss me off is the person who deliberately comes on here to get a kick out of upsetting people who already have enough to worry about - like what is going to happen to their child when they become an adult.

I don't believe you even have children bb, to be honest. But perhaps that's beside the point.

What I said was that you were 'insert adjective'. Name calling - no, personal yes technically.

Thsi is what I said about autism about five pages ago.

"I think it's a lifetime reality and desperately worrying for a generation of parents who can't conceive of how their child will be looked after when they're gone. "

It's name-calling lazy name-calling when it's not true and there's no evidence of it on the thread.

You said that children with autism don't need DLA.

You also said that people like 2shoes should expect to get their DLA withdrawn because of 'scroungers'

You also said that I moan because the government doesn't give me more money

You also failed to accept that there is less than 1% fraudulent DLA claims - there IS evidence for that actually.

And you wonder why people get annoyed when 'debating' with you? Still, it's just the same old, same old. Stupid me for getting sucked into one of your 'debates' again

No I didn't. I said some there are some fraudulent claims associated with it - just like there are with bad backs and depression and just about everything else.

I did not say that you moan because the government doesn't give you more money.

I did not say that people like 2shoes should expect to get their DLA withdrawn because of scroungers.

I pointed out that this was probably the "taken to court" proportion.

I think you've been "debating" with someone else tbh.

daftpunk.....read your own posts please

Blueberties Fri 19-Aug-11 10:52:05
Seriously - you and your children were used as human shields by thieves.
Add message | Report | Message poster Blueberties Fri 19-Aug-11 10:50:14
Blame the scroungers who turned you into a target.

Who are you talking to? I am not daftpunk.

Those posts don't say the above. They say you were turned into a target by thieves and scroungers, who use public sympathy to thieve and scrounge. This is of course true. It doesn't say you deserve to lose your money. It means you are blaming the wrong people - the Tories. You should blame the people who turned the heat onto families like yours.

I don't think that's very difficult to understand. At all.

I would make an educated guess that people with formally diagnosed autism are very unlikely to make a fraudulent claim: the criteria means that a child is very likely (or indeed adult) to need help anyway, there's a diagnostic caveat with ti and related siorders that symtoms must be maladaptive, and diagnosis is so bloody long winded that sustained a fakery that long and to so many people would necessitate the level of mental illness that would no doubt pay DLA anyway.

I suspect that most DLA fraud is for the aduylt level and related to specific injuries and not always even a diagnosis.

Seriously?
An utterly laughable minority are responsible for the Government backlash against people with disabilities? Responsible for the carefully planted right wing newspaper articles slating frauds and playing it up to be a problem of absolutely enormous proportions when it is far from?

This all started under Labour employing bloody ATOS anyway. The fact it's right wing publications perpetuating this incorrect myth is disgusting.

What really worries me is much as I despise Clegg & Cameron I really don't know what Milliband is about. What does he stand for? If there was an election tomorrow not one party is being clear on what they would do with regard to disability and sickness benefit.... this whole feeling of limbo is enormously stressful on those stuck in the middle of it.

sorry made a mistake with the name,
I lay the blame at the people at the top, who because a minority of fraudulent claims are going to ruin countless lives.

Glitta agree wrt to most of your post, esp. now that ATOS ahs started threateninga ction on anyone not liking them (see carer watch- scary stuff!)

As for Miliband, sadly I think they support ATOS (they brought them in) and a lot of the changes. No party supports the genuinely needy, and that is hidden by endless rhetortic about the fraudsters.

It's not fraud causing teh £200 pcm cut in TC due in 2013 for a family with a child on MR DLA, it's ideology.

2shoes: you didn't make a mistake with the name, it was completely deliberate. Don't be so childish; the two names appeared within about five words of each other. It was a really childish attempt to accuse of trolling and lying.

I don't think it's laughable: but then, it's my money that's being stolen that I work really, really, really hard for. Perhaps when it isn't your money then you don't mind so much if people nick it, and don't mind telling people to get the whole thing into perspective.

Are you sure you want to continue to defend and even justify liars and scroungers?

I don't limit it or even think the greater part is with ASD children. I don't know why you suggest that. The most part might well be with adults and bad backs or whatever. You have taken this part and run with it because of your personal involvement.

Re: over diagnosis. This is really difficult - I really do believe there has been a huge explosion in autism, I think it's real, I don't think it's made up, I think it's stretching parents and services to breaking point. However on top of that I also believe that there has been over-diagnosis - that's just about inevitable with such an explosion of a disorder with variant criteria and a booming industry of diagnosis. Before you leap up in fake outrage, I don't mean I think your own children are wrongly Dx'ed - it is perfectly possible to believe it of some children and not of all children. Also I do know children who have been diagnosed with ASD - associated disorders who were nothing of the sort.

For the record I also understand there is some "under" diagnosis or delay in diagnosis, via attempts to push the responsibility away from health to education to social services.

Yes, I have definite ideas about how to help poorer (not DLA receivers) people and they don't involve giving more money: they mainly involve giving them a better education, a much better education - an education they were denied by the last government.

oh and by the way

"ATOS ahs started threateninga ction on anyone not liking them"

this is very bad, absolutely disgusting