to laugh at david cameron?

[ChickenLickn]

He has only been in government about 1 year, the economy has flatlined and already there are riots and looting in the streets! He doesnt listen, and just gets everything so wrong!

It would be absolutely hilarious, if only the consequences weren't so tragic.

But I need a good laugh, so AIBU?

What aspect fo Labour do you want to discuss?

Iraq? was against it.

Peerages for sale? disgusting.

Housing record? appalling.

Tax credits? fantastic way of imporving the lives of working people.

I was blessed at the last election as I got to vote for someone I knew to be a good person, was not enamoired by the pothers at all although I would not vote Tory as I do not have a New Rightist ideology.

MN asked you to defend DLA

Yep they said we should be educating people by sharing our personal storys

Link to what?

' What a lot of social housing Labour could have built with its wasted billions.

X posts again!

I agree.

How? When? Apropos of what?

• but when disabled campaigners deny it's a problem they make the link themselves. Now that's something I'll never understand.

DC Denys that his way will cause problems even while admitting that people will have to move to cheaper accomidation

MN asked you to defend DLA?

Really? Or are you talking that up. Is that more a case of complaints and reports of posts being made, and MN saying - well we're not going to delete, just defend it on the boards.

There are threads about it in site stuff I recall.

Peachy - yes, against the war

tax credits? just a way of getting more people dependent on the state and acquiring a previously non-Labour demographic

I agree Social housing is a big issue but if we wanted to be picky who started the sell of the housing

Did my post vanish>

Threads in site stuff about Sn and education etc

Notb sure is specifically DLA but on all Sn issues- and DLA is absolutely one.

peerages - quite
housing - quite
private contractors - quite
education - this one makes me sick - all that money - no change in social mobility

I would really like to see where MN asks you to defend DLA.

Tax credits meant that when Dh was made redundant and his industry just moved away he could start his own business

When he qualifies that will mean he can be home based and I can work.

The opposite of encouraging dependancy.

Yes I suspect that TCs helped pushed house prices higher but who benefits from that? Not the same ones who are dependant on the sate by any means!

TCs mean that work pays. Like the minimum wage. Something some (NOT all) Tory MPs want done away with.

yy I agree with you about right to buy

that was Thatcher's way of acquiring a demographic

As for social mobility that's something that never happens of course with education.

Says this council house raised post grad married to a man self employed in his final year of university from a very poor background, and her sisters who have all got HE quals and one of whom managed a chain of nurseries and the other is a very successful - well it's a niche career so just very successful. SN might have tripped us temporarily but my sisters used it to full effect and we plan to also.

I know a lot of the stuff about educating people about SN issues is in private emails so can't send over: but I know there were threads in site stuff as well. I honestly cannot recall of DLA was mentioned but that does come under the woder SN experience and your original comment was about personalising responses.

Anyone able to link to HQ asking you to defend DLA?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/site_stuff/1230547-MNHQ-Can-we-talk-about-disability-bashing?pg=6

By Justine:
"We do realise some of you get tired of making the same old arguments, but in truth how else are you going to change people's minds and move people on? These discussions, because people speak so personally, have incredible power to inform and educate."

We are not just tired, we are exhausted from having to "educate" when we should be getting support. I am from am ethnic minority and in rl, I often have to educate about racism, I am a woman and have to educate about sex equality, in other words, things are difficult enough without the burden of educating people who should know better on mumsnet. Please understand, that we only started making progress against racism when the courts started taking a very strong line against it - the wishy washy re-education on a one-by-one basis had very little impact in the grand scheme of things.

there you go telling us we need to educate people

Thatcher brought in DLA as well didn't she?

Or am I wrong on that?

Although the argument for some is that few could claim with say AS then: hardly surprising mind as that was not a named dx in common usage until the late 1990's.
Really DO have to run now. Swore I would not come back to MN very much any more.

X posts.

I actually don't believe they did, except in the sense of "we're not going to delete posts, you have to defend it yourself". I find it astonishing, otherwise.

Social mobility one of the functions of education. I think I must be missing some irony in the first line of your post?

as asked for

see above Mn Justine and it is the standard response that is given regarding DLa/offensive words or disabled bashing

and more x posts.

Yes - it's as I said. Rather relieved.

They did not say that and I am not a liar.

But whatever

Yes you missed the irony

Anyway that wasn't about DLA, that was stand up for yourselves on disability.

I disagree with them actually - when it comes to disability and name calling thereof they should be tougher.