to laugh at david cameron?

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He has only been in government about 1 year, the economy has flatlined and already there are riots and looting in the streets! He doesnt listen, and just gets everything so wrong!

It would be absolutely hilarious, if only the consequences weren't so tragic.

But I need a good laugh, so AIBU?

Peachy that is awful about your war friend. But completely ridiculous if he is wheelchair bound and suffering in the way you say. Why so afraid? He has nothing to be afraid of.

And in case I give the impression of not "believing" in autism/Asperger's -- I believe in it alright. I think it's a lifetime reality and desperately worrying for a generation of parents who can't conceive of how their child will be looked after when they're gone.

I believe in bad backs, too, and bad legs, and pain, and sickness. Doesn't stop me knowing that people have invented such ailments / abused them / whatever.

EW - where does that quotation come from? For a start you can be able bodied and still disabled ffs! This thing about just filling in form - not true, you need a supporting statement from a doctor. If you look on the SN board you will see that a lot of people there get turned down and are in the midst of appeals and tribunals etc. It is certainly not something just handed out.

Tax credit is a benefit much more easily defrauded imho, because the Inland Revenue only do spot checks to check income etc - they do not check every person who claims. But hang on a minute, lets lay into disabled people - much easier to bully(!)

DWP estimate DLA fraud at 1%

I don't know why payments have risen but 3 factors include the increased expectation of cvare in the community (in the good old days people with SN were hospitalised thus meaning no claim was made

Increased survical of babies born early and with diseases such as cancer than relate to DLA claims and payment: dead people tend not to be eligible

Better awareness of how some people with MH and ASD have ended up with no diagnosis or help in absolute squalor and misery and never having flagged on any system. Quite a few ended up in elderly resi units when their elderly parents passed away and just teh cost came from a different pot.

1 and 2 are HUGELY significant, 3 just about real people and lives. There is proper peer reviewed research shwing early input = better outcomes: so jobs, taxes- and pretty much the only early input many ASD kids get unless theya re severe enough to need an SNU place is via the DLA system. Therapy funded with DLA means ds3 speaks.

Blue- becuase he can walk sometimes (less so as he ages) but the nasty sod that reported him took pics of him walking and sent them in; DWP know the history but this woman is still after them (police involved, phone calls at 3am sort of thing) and he thinks she will do it again. remember he already has combat stress; things are not processed in always unemotional ways.

Sorry - I should have attributed properly. It's The Telegraph and I though it would be authoritative on the figures about the scale of officially estimated fraud. It's from May 2007 - so nothing to do with the current Government.

And as for invention of asd etc-

probably exists.

But are you aware of how asd is diagnosed?

I ahve a bad back; never claimed (never knew when bad aged 20 I could, now healed with physio)- a scan diagnosed it.

Ds4 is obviously an ASD case: 2 siblings etc, absences. The process to dx still tkaes years: he will be assessed in every other area first (already now needs glasses, flew through hearing test today, speech delay whcih they are dealing with by sending me on a 2 hour course called child language development: I did developmental psychology as a minor in my degree, and well I mentioned the MA. i will go though like a good girl ). Once he sees the family paed she will use a combination of observations, family history and properly regulated and reviewed tests to assess him: typically our PAed likes to use the 3Di test, but there are some common ones here, a unit based at Cambridge University.
A proper DX is reliable and valid: tehre are I understand some Paeds who don't follow the guidelines but they should be tracked down and dealt with.

DS1's dx took 3 years; ds3's the same despite his severe needs. It was comprehensive.

Now, the mild functional ASD you describe exists but is quite rare: there is a movement called the neurotypical movement which exists to argue that ASD is simply a different personality if you will, and just needs to be accepted, but the rates of depression, eating disorders and unemployment in even the most high functioning individuals with ASD are scary. The neurotypicality movement make a lot of valid points but a key skill lacking in ASD is geberalisation and it's points about them, not the very many otehr people not coping as well.

People with very HF asd simply do not get DLA, heck the new tests wills creen out many severe people. DS3 has severe language delays, an inablity to cope in a room with more than a few people (school has withdrawn him from all integrated teaching), obsessions that rule his life, functional age of maybe 4- but he can ctill at times (if not absent) pick up a pencil when asked which is a fail on ATOS. No chance he could ever be employed or independent in any way: he will end up in a care home. Picking up a pencil when not in absence not being a marketable skill.

And I do have to run now: DH and I planning some kind of date night tonight with a DVD, although also with at least 2 small boys climbing over us- romantic eh?

At the moment I am mostly a happy person: I have my boys, we have a home we adore and schools etc sorted. It won't take much to pull the rug out now- bit like the end of a jenga game atm- and we are scared. One year and hopefully things will be better (employment allowing: south wales not being exactly the jobs capital of the world and not being able to move due to the SNU system we need), but tehre will alwyas be people behind us and needing plenty of help and I hope they can always get it.

Interesting how it came down to DLA. It often seems to. Who brought it up? Not me. But instead of discussing the billions wasted by Labour - billions and billions - it's "they're mean to disabled people".

We can't afford to go out either Peachy.

Blueberties you seem to like talking in unintelligent, garbled riddles. What are you on about "seen more of the world - Labour born and bred"?

If this is not daftpunk I'll be very surprised.

Peachy - if a child needs residential care as an adult how could it be said that they do not get DLA? I must say that I'm not up to speed on what they are actually going to do. My daughter usually ignores all instructions from people she doesn't know and requires a great deal of reinforcement to do anything at all. The test from what I know includes a lot of questions about stuff like watching television. My daughter would not be able to say what her favourite X, Y or Z is.

If it is dp then it will end up like the BNP thread from about 2 years ago - random postings that don't make any sense and ignoring people who show evidence to the contrary. On that thread I seem to remember it was 'immigrants get preference for social housing'

Blue it's not affordsability

We could go for a walk etc

We have NOBODY: no babysitter can take the boys, no neighbour or anyone. If I ahve a medical appt and Dh is working tough. Literall nobody.

Electra ATOS assessors ahve a very set criteria with silly qurstions such as 'can you pick up that pen?', if they do then bye. It is in no way appropriate for autism, as many specialist charities and campiagners recognise, but to test for eg physical disability. So people with MH and ASD just fall through the gaps. DS3 could say what her favourites are but he has no functional abilties in that he frequently goes into long absences and shuts off, and is like a toddler. I hope the assessor when he turns 16 is not sim- anyone can see his asd, heck ever SSD - but it worries me a lot.

And yes Blue Labour got a lot wrong too. But under Labour I was not scared. And this is a site accessed by a lot of carers and with a large SN section.

Labour fouled up, and now we have to find a way to deal with the aftermath.

How? Many economies across the world are in a mess, and I don't hear anyone coming up with a credible plan.

There have been riots across the world by disaffected young people: it's not just England.

FWIW I think there were no riots in Scotland for several reasons:

(1) The police clamped down on any incitement very quickly;
(2) We don't have large black communities in our cities, who may have been angered by the killing of Mark Duggan;
(3) Feelings of separate identity from England: it reminded me of the days of English football hooliganism, when Scottish football supporters who would have otherwise have quite enjoyed a wee rammy in a foreign city, took pride in behaving well in order to set themselves apart from the English.

What is clear in my mind is that British people are tired of being told that they are the problem, that there is moral decay in society, by people with a pretty shoddy record on honesty and morality.

For me this is not party political: I have little time for any party. The rot is present across all of the soi-disant upper echelons of politics and business.

Peachy - you are right - I feel scared too. Because at least at the moment our children are still children and have us to look after them. But it's very stressful to imagine a future for them where people will say they are not disabled and are not entitled to state support.

Electra how can I describe ds3- it's hard

you know the dx criteria where it says say interactional difficulty and everyone thinks withdrawn? Well ds3 is always the opposite.

He is like a new, over excited hyper stimulated puppy constantly pulling at you, jumping, singing loudly (if in a way that's hard to be understood). Almost always happy (unless denied something he wants) and wihout guile.

At 4 it was really cute and people loved it; at 8 it's ahrder work and people are starting to withdraw; at 35 it will be incredibly ahrd I imagine.

Dh describes him as like a toddler on Christmas eve after too much fizzy pop unless there is a chance of his obsession (PC or DS0 in which case he shuts down completely.

I love him to bits, find his innocence and joy to be a blessing but recognise that he will always just be incredibly vulnerable. Intellectually he is able enough as long as he has constant 1-1 to keep him engaged but there's just this naivety there that takes me back to some of my clients when I worked in one of the Victorian MH hospitals in the nineties before they were closed down.

I know another child a bit like him only more so and he has GDD and VI in the mix too, he did not get a dx until he was 13 of ASD: ds3 was the rirst person to have the 3Di test locally as although the SN was obvious, the dx was hard to pinpoint.

My pther fear is that DS will talk them into letting him be his carer

Which he might, he can talk most people into things: at 5 he had a verbal age of an adult

and no empathy at all, no sense of morality, or under standing of cause and effect: if someone accidentally kncoks him, he beats them.

He would severely abuse ds3 but if it's cheap for the state......

Euphemia I largely agree

I really resented being told I am morally decaying: I am not. I do my best to be upright, care for my kids, be a good person.

i read a quote- it's only here in jokey fashion and as I read your post and it amde me laugh, I knopw Custy has it too so might ahve used it- but Toff On Crime, Toffs On The causes Of Crime

made me anyway.

I ahve no issues with that class being inpower, but I want a Givernment that represents all sections and I do not think they tend to, this one particularly.

Just a quick one to Apple - please stop talking rot at me and about me. Thanks.

He sounds lovely peachy, but yes I totally get what you mean wrt worrying about vulnerability. My dd is very withdrawn and passive. The problem as you say is that the behaviours seem cute in a small child but as the child gets older people are alarmed rather than endeared.

Have now read through the posts - Peachy - sympathies.

Electra and a couple others: still no attempt to address the disgusting waste of public funds, the massive deficit, the lack of money, the downgrading of education etc etc. You'd rather talk about anything else and ramble on about BNP threads two years ago. No surprise that you need the distraction.

Euphemia - some agreement - have posted elsewhere about the blithe approach to public money which ought to go by the name of corruption from the top to bottom, local government, parliament, Europe, private consultants, administrative staff, managers. Significant disagreement - it's the solid, taxpaying middle classes that have been told the'yre the problem for a long time under Labour, that they were unreconstructed, racist, unkind and mean, and now they are the ones fed up with it.

According to the Department of Work and Pensions (DWP), the annual cost of payments made through the disability living allowance (DLA) has soared from £4.5 billion in 1997 to almost £10 billion last year, making it the most costly state benefit apart from pensions and tax credits.
When Labour came to power in May 1997, 1.9 million people received DLA. By last November, the number of claimants had risen to 2.85 million.
Criminals are estimated to defraud the DLA, which is intended to help the handicapped pay for care and remain mobile, of £1 billion a year - more than a third of all benefit fraud. Able-bodied criminals target the DLA because, in many cases, they only have to fill in one form before they start receiving payments".

that made me lol really did one form erm yeah but that one form is `16 pages long and they do not just say yeah read the form we will award it .They do write to Drs to check .

Mine wrote to Dr, physio and consultant to check what i had put down was correct

Um Blue

It's quite possible to be middle class AND part of the culture that the tories hate, although raised WC I suppose with my nice little academic degree and posh (no idea why, AS genes porbably) accent I am as much MC now as WC.

Benefits claimants and the people that the right seem to loathe include carers, disabled, pensioners and they can come from any class. Goodness, can include pretty much anyone: poor dad worked , still does PT at 70, all his days and ended up with a pension vanishing through a loophole and facing a claim when he finally packs in work. Very people are secure enough tehy could never be at risk, Dhhad a letter assuring him there would no redundancies as the company finances were A1- two weeks before the company was sold and he was made redundant. Life's like that, it gives you great times and hard blows.

Blueberties - this thread is about David Cameron being an arse - not ideas on how to address the deficit. So now you're telling me what I'm supposed to be posting about?

A fascist is bound to think that public funds are wasted on anyone who's in need. I've no intention of debating with you any further. Been there, done that.

Why do you think the Right loathe them?

I see only evidence that the right loathe the people who feed off sympathy for them to rip off the taxpayer. And of course the people who were too lazy to get all the jobs that were going and preferred to stay guests of the state.