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To believe this about working/staying at home?

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WriterofDreams · 26/07/2011 11:53

If you feel this is too contentious an issue and don't want to get involved, don't.

I see endless posts about how working/staying at home affects kids but the way I've always looked at it is how it affects the parents. As far as I'm concerned as long as a child is well looked after, fed, clothed, played with a reasonable amount, given appropriate discipline, stimulation and sleep they're doing well and there's not much to worry about. However, for the parents seeing their children growing up, watching them achieve and grow, is a once in a lifetime opportunity. When thinking about staying at home or working mums in particular seem to focus either on their career or on their children, they don't seem to consider themselves and their own personal needs.

I see having children as a life experience, not just something on the sidelines of everything else. I see it as something I've embarked on both for myself and my child. I've chosen not to go back to work because I want to see my child grow up. It might benefit him to be with me, I don't know, but I'm pretty sure it'll benefit me, and that's what I want. I enjoy being with him, I love seeing him learn and I don't want to go to work every day and miss out on things. I could have a bigger house, more stuff and more holidays if I worked but I don't want those. The way I see it the earnings I'm "losing" are paying for my once in a lifetime experience, which isn't climbing Mount Everest, or travelling the world, it's seeing a new life grow and change, seeing a new person make his way in the world. I feel privileged that I am the person who gets to teach this little boy, who gets to be with him when he has his very first swim, his very first ice cream, sees a dog for the first time. These years that I have with him will never, ever come back, I can literally never repeat them, ever. They are about the most precious thing in my life and I would pay anything for them. Later, when he's older, he will become more independent and I will have had my time with him. He'll go to school and those close years will be over and then I'll see about my career, which I can have any time in my life.

Childhood is short. I choose to share it with my son because I want those memories, for myself. I hope it'll be a good experience for him too. I don't think it'll make him a better person in any way, he won't be more advanced or more social or more anything, he'll just be him. But I'll be able to see that boy emerge, day by day. That's why I'm a SAHM.

OP posts:
GreenEyesandHam · 26/07/2011 13:01

Did anyone else find the music from 'Our Tune' pop into their head whilst reading the OP or was it just me? Grin

I work because I choose to, and it suits me and our family just fine, so no one need worry about me

stillstanding · 26/07/2011 13:01

Totally agree, kungfu. Ds1 one had been wobbling around a bit, then one day I came home from work and he did his "first steps". Odds are good he had done a few during the day but the nanny wasn't going to say and who cares? Those were his first steps for me and that was all that mattered.

OP, I think your heart is in the right place and that you are just trying to express the way you personally feel about parenting but you do need to get some perspective. Just because someone else makes different choices to you and isn't physically present 24/7, doesn't mean their children are "sidelined". Nor does it make you the better parent or your choice the "right one". Some people have to work, some people enjoy work, some people need the stimulation of a challenging career. This doesn't make them cleverer or more interesting than you either btw.

AmberLeaf · 26/07/2011 13:01

I understand why some people get pissed off with posts like this but Its equally annoying [to me] when to counter this type of post someone always posts something like

"I would hate to be a SAHM I need to use my brain "

grubbalo · 26/07/2011 13:01

Thank you kungfupanda for putting that into words better than I would have done.

I have no choice about working if we actually want to have a mortgage (and wow [heavy sarcasm alert], I was also clever enough to have had the self esteem and worth to marry a man who earns a very good salary, but alas still not enough to buy a house on just his salary when we're still paying off student debt) and it really really really fucks me off bigtime when I hear the whole "I give up so much" crap from some SAHMs. We don't go on holidays, we don't do lots of things, but unfortunately we still don't have enough money for me not to work - and all this sanctimonious shit about how sad it is that I don't have the choice really annoys me. About as much as my mother telling me that it's such a shame we live in a house buying culture (was obviously ok to have that culture back in her day, though). I have a lovely husband who I don't begrudge for his lack of a 6 figure salary, things are what they are and one day I am sure I will be glad of the fact I worked (well that's what I keep telling myself anyway).

Yes I'm very envious of people who can afford to be SAHM, I love the fact we live in a world where mums can actually admit now that they work because they want to work. I just wish people would stop going on about why what they do is the best thing blah blah blah, the same way I wish people would stop passing judgement on what I do. Life is what it is and we just need to get on with it.

GreenEyesandHam · 26/07/2011 13:02

Apologies for double posts Blush

rainbowtoenails · 26/07/2011 13:02

I think you are naive to assume that you can resurect a career after a long break. Also i hope your dp has good life insurance!

Another thing, do you really think your ds isnt affected by the example you are setting. Children learn through imitation, what if he EXPECTS his future dp to be a sahm, because you were?

You seem to view childcare as a fun hobbey, which ok isnt hurting anyone but it does make you sound rather immature in that you dont seem to be taking RESPONSIBILITY for parenting.

Georgimama · 26/07/2011 13:03

Mumsnet can appear to be uniquely populated with women who, setting financial considerations aside, solely gave up their career because they chose to/ felt they needed to be at home with their baby/children. I can't recall ever seeing a poster admit they didn't go back because they weren't particularly successful/ good at it /hated their career anyway and being a SAHM was a dignified exit they were eager to take. I do however know someone in RL who freely admits this.

Bloody good point. I know several women who pretty much had children because they were sick of working.

MissPenteuth · 26/07/2011 13:06

I'm not sure what the point of your post is OP. Is it to defend your own choice, or to criticize others'? I can't see what other reason you could possibly have.

It reminds me of the 'I can't understand people who don't even try breastfeeding' posts. Possibly well-meaning, but at best naive, at worst judgy. Good for you for doing what you want to do, but it is just that, what YOU want to do, not what everyone wants or should want. Some people feel differently. 'But why?' They just do. 'BUT..' They JUST DO. Forget it. It's nothing to do with you.

mum0ftw0 · 26/07/2011 13:06

What does this mean?
'lucky you have the choice'?

Lucky you have the choice to work?

I would effing love the choice to get out of this house.
But there's no kind of childcare available for my disabled son.

We're broke on the dole and I'm going mad. Would love to have some me time out at work, or doing something else.

Am I the kind of person suffering no choice that you're talking about?

MrsKravitz · 26/07/2011 13:08

I have the choice. We'd live on DH's income.
Wouldnt take it though as I feel strongly about a partnership when it comes to financial support

Loie159 · 26/07/2011 13:08

im really confused by this. The main element behind the OP is that she gets to enjoy things becuase she is a SAHM. But I work 4 days a week running my own business and this Friday, saturday , sunday I have taken my children (2.5 and 3.5) for a picnic, the park twice, the beach and a 4 hour visit to the farm..... not sure then how I or they are missing out.

I personally want to work and I also think it is important for DC especially girls to grow up believing that they can work and earn money - not just stay at home and let a man pay for it......

I sort of undersntad what you are eluding to OP by saying that it should be peoples personal choices if they can afford and shouldnt beat themselves up about having to work / not wanting to work if they have the choice. But my decision to work is based on what is best for my family. Maybe some women want to work, maybe they enjoy it, want a tea break in peace, dont want DH to think all they talk about is nappies and other mums, there are many reasons people do things and they arent always based on personal choice.

You feel happy about your decision at present and from your post it sounds like your child is young (hence park / seeing a dog for the first time) but do you not think it is a valuable lesson to teach them about the value of working to pay for things?

And by the time they are 9 and you have been at home for almost a decade you might be a bit bored of it..... and might struggle to get a job. So as long as you have factored that into your decsion, then I am sure it is the right one for you.

InFlames · 26/07/2011 13:09

dippy001 excellent post but in an ideal world I'd still work even if we had a million pounds - ideal isn't always staying at home :-)

stillstanding · 26/07/2011 13:09

I hate that brain thing too, Amberleaf. I also hate the "setting an example" thing which comes up a lot, on this thread too. Being a SAHM is a perfectly good example fgs. Such a spectacularly dim point.

mum0ftw0 · 26/07/2011 13:12

"it really really really fucks me off bigtime when I hear the whole "I give up so much" crap from some SAHMs. We don't go on holidays, we don't do lots of things, but unfortunately we still don't have enough money for me not to work - and all this sanctimonious shit about how sad it is that I don't have the choice really annoys me."

hahaahahahahahaha

yeah, think I'm definately going to lose my mind.

TandB · 26/07/2011 13:13

MumofTwo - sorry to hear about your situation. It is a great, great shame that our set-up doesn't provide a realistic option for you.

Pity all the time and energy spent pitying others for their choices/lack thereof isn't thrown into campaigning for change and better support for people like you.

NoobyNoob · 26/07/2011 13:14

The thing is I don't feel like I use my brain!

If using my brain consists of acting and thinking like a child for the majority of the day, then I'm pretty fucked wouldn't you say?

chaya5738 · 26/07/2011 13:15

Yeah, the "using my brain" comment is infuriating. There is nothing more challenge intellectually than trying to figure out how to get a toddler to do something they don't want to. I love my career and love the intellectual stimulation it gives me but it is simply not true that staying at home doesn't involve using your brain. It is often just a different part of your brain or you use it in a different way.

happy2bhomely · 26/07/2011 13:18

I'm a SAHM. I want to stay home, my DC want me to stay home(because it's what they're used to) my DH is happy for me to stay home and it makes sense financially for me to stay home! So, for me, yes this is the right choice.

I sometimes worry about the future and what I will do when I no longer have children to care for. I worry if I am doing what is best for my children.

I enjoy spending time with my children. I enjoy spending time away from my children. I assume that is true for most of us.

If I didn't want to stay home, if my DC didn't want me to stay home, if my DH was not happy for me to stay home or if it made sense financially for me to work outside of the home, then of course I would make a different choice and I would work. I would worry if I was doing what is bets for my children.

What is so difficult for some people to grasp?

SOME parents WANT to stay home
SOME parents NEED to stay home
SOME parents WANT to work
SOME parents NEED to work
SOME parents WANT a bit of both
SOME parents NEED a bit of both
SOME kids thrive at home
SOME kids thrive at nursery
SOME kids thrive at CM
SOME kids thrive with GP'S
ETC ETC ETC

ALL of us love our children and TRY to balance our lives so that we are happy, so our partners are happy and so our children are happy.

CurrySpice · 26/07/2011 13:19

I WOTH and I'm not emotionally or physically exhausted

Am I doing something wrong? Shock

InFlames · 26/07/2011 13:22

Is their ANY parenting choice that's not used as a stick to beat others with? Breastfeeding, dummies, cosleeping, weaning, type of school, working, yada yada yada ...

I'm with all those on here who've said along the lines of 'who cares?' 'horses for courses' 'you're choice/my choice' etc etc.

FunnysInTheGarden · 26/07/2011 13:26

another SAHMvWOHM bunfight? It MUST be the summer holidays

enjoyingscience · 26/07/2011 13:28

I can't remember my DS's first dog encounter. Was I supposed to?

curryspice Also WOHM here, and not that exhausted either. Fancy coming for a run and some circuits later? Should tire us out to a level befitting our working status.

Lizzylou · 26/07/2011 13:30

To Op, YANBU, you can believe what you want to believe, just don't expect everyone to agree.

Your op does come across as very smug and precious.

I suppose I have just come out of the other side of SAHM/Working from home and have two school age children. I have found a job doing pretty much what I did pre-dc, but in a less pressurised firm local to me instead of in city centre. I am on half my old basic salary, which is OK. I am lucky to have even found something, I know. It's bloody tough to find anything.

I don't care one jot what other Mother's do, I really don't. This is your choice to make, if you are fortunate enough to have the choice. Just don't go all Mills and Boon and make others feel inadequate because you can live your dream. Even if that wasn't your intention it was ill thought out and insensitive.

TandB · 26/07/2011 13:31

I'm not exhausted either. But that might be because I am currently MNing rather than facing the pile of depressing paperwork relating to issues that have no way of being resolved!

MissPenteuth · 26/07/2011 13:31

InFlames sadly no, I don't think there is. 'Live and let live' seems to be the general consensus on here thankfully, but there are always a few 'I'm right and here's why' types to try and make the rest of us feel bad.

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